I've been calling out the hypocrisy of the American right for a while with how they simultaneously condemn communism and socialism but happily support communist dictators like Putin.
Is that really how Putin is portrayed in the USA? I'm only asking because he was always portrayed as a staunch anti-communist in Italian media while I was growing up. (Italy had a sizable population of filo-communists until the early 2000s but I get the feeling that demographic doesn't exist anymore at all. So I'm guessing the Putin being an anti-communist narrative stem from cold war propaganda trying to position Italy against the eastern bloc.)
In fact, most older Russian people I know bitch about Putin leading the 'westernization' of Russia following Gorbachev's perestroika. The only thing that could be considered "communistic" about Putin is that apparently most of the good jobs in Russia are monopolized by state powers and even that's a stretch. The same is actually true in most european countries lol, state jobs are notoriously overcrowded.
Keep in mind that I'm not defending Putin at all. (In case it wasn't clear, my avatar is meant to be humorous.) It's just curious to hear people call him a communist since he never struck me as one, but then again, full blown corporate shills call themselves communists in the USA, words just don't mean anything anymore.
They talk about less government, then champion a President who tried to turn the U.S. into an authoritarian state by stacking political positions with loyalists bending rules wherever he sees fit. They are all for more government control and limitations against citizens so long as it is in favor of their ideological dogma.
That's every side and the whole point of democracy. The democratic system exists to apply divide and conquer strategies on the sovereign population by separating them into groups whose aim is not to improve their lives but ruin that of the other for ideological reasons.
I'm not saying anything you said here is wrong, but the same is true for both "sides" of the debate. DNC progressives are also bragging about their increased gas prices because they get to "hurt the nazis".
The whole point is to get you to go through the ritual of voting in order to give an air of legality to what is essentially a sack of your home country by invaders. Life has been steadily becoming worse for everyone in the western world since at least the 90s for this very reason.
Another good example is the supposed debate going on in the USA about abortion. (Which is not a real debate at all since all that happened is that the supreme court established that abortion laws are dependent on state legislation rather than the federal government. Which means nothing actually fucking changed. The role of the supreme court is just to ascertain whether or not a law is in accordance with the constitution or not, and the american constitution separates the responsibilities of the federal government from that of the individual states.)
The media (actually a marketing machine) made a big fuss about it with the sole purpose of riling up "right wingers" (not actual right wingers) against abortion rights. Meanwhile, "left wingers" (not actual left wingers) have been riled up for years into believing that only national socialist jew murderers reject the vaccines, and they should be forced to take it by the rule of law.
The end result is that both artificially constructed "sides", that are entirely manufactured through marketing/propaganda, advocate for less bodily autonomy & rights for the citizenship. In other words, both voting blocs now believe that the police should be given authority to fuck with your life and income depending on what you choose to do with your body, which in turn will lead them to a voting booth where they can legally sanction their own execution & impoverishment. It has nothing to do with either vaccinations or abortions, they are strawman arguments made up in order to make participate in democracy. (Which is probably why you're having difficulty finding any logic into right wing positions. The secret is that there is none to be found, it's all completely arbitrary.)
"Divide and conquer" is not a new term at all. It goes back at least to ancient roman military strategies. A divided population is easy to subjugate, and the purpose of democracy is to do just that. Most pre-industrial regimes allowed for far more individual freedom than any post-industrial regime ever did, democratic or not. Italy alone has 50.000 written laws. Thanks to late stage capitalism (which might I remind you was sold as "freedom") everyone's lives are micromanaged to a degree that was unthinkable before office life became the standard. Mandatory education leads into a pre-disposed career path which in turn leads you to be the middle man of a middle man of a middle man in an office whose ultimate owner is one of three foreigners who don't even pay taxes in any country, yet exploit your work for their profit. Thinking that I am free just because I get to vote twice a year for my own demise is just braindead.
As for the American left wing groups, their flaws are obvious and they don't deny they do what they do. That is why I deem them the far lesser of two evil. They are fully aware of the ridiculousness of things like gender politics and censoring things because it "hurt their feeling." They don't deny that they do these things, whereas the American right blatantly supports and defends Nazi's, corporate dominion over the public and pedophiles, then lies about not doing it. So many of them are just straight psychotic and delusional. When it comes to the insanity of the left wing, you are dealing with a known quantity that, while annoying, is relatively easy to deal with.
I am not sure what you're talking about here. Are you describing the voting blocks, or the leadership? Because when it comes to the voting blocks, I don't think american right wingers are hypocritical. I think they're legitimately too retarded to comprehend the cognitive dissonance they engage in. (For example supporting the traditional family while hating women, which you sort of kind of need to fuck and marry in order to build a traditional family, or their worship of cops as if the police force is not the one enforcing mask mandates and vaccine mandates, which they hate.)
If you're talking about the leadership, I also think that's incorrect because no left wing leader actually gives a fuck about replacing biology with sociology through gender theory and critical race theory or protecting people's feeling with warnings and shit like that. That's for the goyim to make sure they live in perpetual isolation from each other, constantly stuck in retarded conversations about nothing while they sack the country. That's just democracy working as intended. Today's transgender bathroom are yesterday's legislation about burning american flags and shit like that. It doesn't matter to anyone in power, it only matters to middle managers and civilians.
You gotta admit, it's badass. Building a gun in your home, going out and offing a politician you can't stand. Some real RAF shit. That, right there, is the most immediate type of political activism. It's not like the Americans. Everyone and their mum is packing a gun there, and yet they actually went and tried to protect Abe's bosom buddy Trump when he was voted out because they couldn't cope with not being lorded over by an obese corporate CEO anymore. For one, the loony with the gun was there to attack the technocrat in a suit, not protect him. We don't have that. The reason why people like Trump or Le Pen or fucking Höcke run around like they own the place in their respective western countries is because they know the worst that's ever gonna happen is some hippie shits protesting in front of their house.
I agree with the sentiment (Especially about the fact that americans are constantly bragging about their guns, and how their constitution allows them to revolt against the government, yet they never do fucking shit outside of FBI sanctioned "bring your son to work" day like January 6th lol. Their elections have been faked since at the very least 1961 with Kennedy, yet noone ever toppled any government) but I honestly feel that it's too soon for me to just take the "lone nut" narrative for granted. If this had happened in any western country we'd all be looking at the pentagon's website to find out which branch of government sanctioned the shooting.
Obviously there is a real chance that it was some crazy neet, I just don't know enough about it to state it as a fact.
Occidental Right Wing seem to think of the world conflict as Nationalism vs Globalism. You even see a lot of that type of talk going on in this fucking forum. (It’s probably a real issue if you’re White from a White nation.)
Nationalism vs. Globalism isn't a real issue for anyone who doesn't decide to buy into what's absolutely just bullshit. Globalists are delusional, but nationalists are fucking deranged as far as western politics go.
I have to wonder what the fuck is either of you smoking when you say that globalism is a "wypipo" problem. Have you ODd on crack? "Globalization" is not a thing that was invented today. It has been a problem since the 90s, which has widely affected third world countries. The entire point of the no global movement from the 90s to the mid 2000s, was to protest against corporate interests taking control of third world countries through international funds & NGOs in order to drain them of their resources. In essence, globalization is a soft, marketable form of colonialism.
The Iraq war was part of it, as everyone back then assumed the invasion was precipitated by Dick Chaney's financial interests . Seriously WTF are you two going on about?
Globalization refers to the erosion of national borders through international legislation & partnerships which ultimately go on to benefit NGOs and other supernational entities. It was made esponentially worse by the post-ww2 technological evolution which made the transport of people & resources much faster, but it was already an issue in the 1900s when Chiquita essentially took over entire local governments, which is the origin of the term "banana republic". China essentially colonizing Africa in the past two decades is also an example of globalization in action.
Another example I can give you, from my own country, is that by opening up to the EU most italian companies moved their factories to eastern european countries where they pay substantially large bribes to local governments to prevent legislation on a minimal cost of labor, to essentially exploit slave labor at next to no cost due to their smaller economies, which only recently entered the Euro.
India is basically GAVI's and Bill Gates' playground when it comes to testing out shit to ruin other people's lives.
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-So ... -the-world
Ah yes all those white indians, suffering from globalization. If only they weren't such white supremacist nazis.
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 004_1.html
Let's not forget about those snow-like africans, whose leaders are bribed by american corporatists to cover up cholera outbreaks, and are rewarded for those crimes by joining supernational entities that make decisions on everyone's health. I guess they're white too. Is anyone not white?
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... who-65493/
Do you think that globalization is just mass immigration or white replacement theory? Because that's really not the same thing at all. Mass immigration was brought on by the unsustainability of endless growth, which in turn became impossible without artificially inflating a population when the drops in living standards after the 80s and 90s and the loss of inflation-adjusted wages made it so that europeans (I guess what you refer to as "white people", although the american definitions of race, which might I add is the only western country that still employs 1930s style racial profiling and classifications, is not based on genetics or any other empirical evidence. It's based on "looking like" a white or a black guy. They might as well call asians "slant eyed yellow gooks" for as much as that system has to do with genetics.) stopped reproducing at a rate that ensured the survival of the taxation & pension system. (Which is 2.3 children per household, or a 17% increase in population each generation. Which as we know from having a brain is inherently unsustainable.)
Which yeah, was indirectly brought on by globalization since the USA has been spreading the economic system of western capitalism in every country they could since WW2. However, Japan having 18h work shifts is also the result of the spread of western capitalism through globalization, and they don't have a problem with mass immigration at all because of their traditional work ethic.
Just because white nationalists (who are actually hispanics and middle easterners lol) are utterly retarded and think that globalization is a ploy by evil jews to destroy the white race (which does not actually exist) it doesn't make you any less retarded if you refute their talking points while taking their premise as true. In fact, most of the corporatists and bankers that profit from globalization are WASPs and Germans destroying third world countries.
It actually ties into what you were saying right after that:
You know what I think the conflict at the core of all this is? It's the conflict between idealism and materialism .It's not a clear cut one, because as far as all the public battlegrounds for that conflict go, they both have their share of both idealists and materialists on both sides. Neither is, or ever has been, completely pure one way or the other. See, I'm a materialist. Which brought me, over some detours, to what's usually considered the "far left". Not all that liberal humanist stuff about race and gender and migration and whatever, that's something that people whom it actually concerns can sort out. But the actual science of it all, economics, supply and distribution.
As it is right now, ideological capitalism, not the economic system, the actual ethos that emerged from it, is the biggest bastion of the idealist mindset. That religion that tries to manifest perpetual growth, a god given hierarchy between the owner and the worker, the spiritual purity of uncompensated labour, it's all a bunch of horseshit. You're never gonna have me defend the Corporate Right. Neither of it's incarnations, for whatever that's worth. Get out with the CCP, those bastards have cleared out any last traces of communism before Mao's body was cold, and his version of it was an idealistic deviation from communism in the first place.
Which is not at all dissimilar to what I was saying in a different thread. I even went as far as to mention that in a functioning country, I'd be a left wing socialist. The reason why I used to vote libertarian here in Italy is because the taxation has gotten fucking insane. (37% of what I earn goes into state pockets. Make of that what you will.)
The reason why this happens, is for what I like to call "the cult of western economics". Every organized religion in the past was essentially a way of narrating & enforcing an economic system. The reason why I am a staunch christian (specifically gnostic) is because the basis of Christianity is a shadow economy that empowers the individual & disenfranchises the state and other elite power structures.
The western economic system (which we could define as crony capitalism, or late-stage capitalism) is a time bomb that relies on an impossible dream, which is infinite growth. This is for a variety of reasons: the constant inflation derived from exiting the gold standard means that wealth has to be constantly accumulated to keep up with price increases, the welfare state (the pension system essentially spends money, to pay employees, whose role is to take part of your money and give it up to you later, which means it operates at a net loss by design), the petroldollar standard being imposed on the rest of the world through NATO invasion & perpetual war (and also the literal murder in the case of ghaddafi lol) which means that american dollar inflation affects nearly every country in the world at this point, so on and so forth.
This is why I think at face value, Russia and China trading oil without going through the petroldollar standard is seemingly a positive step. Both Putin and Winnie the Pooh are globohomo-adjacent though so I cannot discount the idea that it's anal rape hidden within a handshake.
Most of today's maladies can actually be tracked to the ideal of western economics & endless growth. The whole 16h work shifts thing in Japan is due to Japanese work ethics mixing with western economics, which is imposed on them through NATO presence since WW2. In Europe (which is also NOGGED LOL), the same issue was "solved" by promoting mass immigration to artificially inflate population numbers to support the taxation system. The constant wars in the middle east are also a result of the need for endless growth, because if the military industrial complex stopped growing or god forbid stopped killing people, the american economy would collapse overnight. The house loan bubble, wallstreet's black friday, I could go on.
What we're going through now globally, is a controlled collapse of western economics, with the lockdowns, the ukraine conflict and the general policies of the current USA government. This version of Capitalism was always set up to fail though. Even Marx, who hilariously is portrayed as an anti-capitalist by the media, was a supporter of Capitalism because he theorized it would organically lead into communism.
What happened in reality, is that the western economic system was set up to collapse for the benefit of corporate interests and bankers who will rework the system into a new form of feudalism, where feudal lords own the means of production and the people are forced to work for them in order to have access to basic necessity, and there is no mobility within classes because the lower class has no access to wealth or is able to invest.
This is now labelled as conspiracy theory for some reason despite being just theoretical economics. They might as well label communism as a conspiracy theory too lol. Economists can see the result of endless inflation, while all means of production & living are being centralized around the same few organizations. That's where the whole "you'll own nothing and be happy" thing comes from.
What is the foundational myth of the western economics cult? That would be "science", which actually isn't science at all. It's more like science fiction (which is what you're referring to when you say that boomers have been promised a future like Star Trek.)
Science is a method of research, "Science" as it is understood by americans is an abnegation of reality that is only questioned by "evil interlopers". It is, essentially, a form of white supremacy (LOL!) they imported from old timey UK propaganda, like robinson crusoe or Kipling's writings, where the mind of the angloid is portrayed as innately superior over the "savages".
The difference is that the "savage" class is now "nazi alt right conspiracy theorist republican trumptards", but it is essentially the same textual propaganda.
I find it hilarious that right wingers love Idiocracy because it's essentially a propaganda movie for this exact world view. The ones portrayed as genetically inferior are the "redneck right wing hicks" and the world is ended by them being able to procreate, and they're saved by the prodigal intelligent democratic white man who is essentially the same archetype as robinson crusoe.
All of these weird ass beliefs that internet americans (yes I am aware not all americans are like that. Some of my best friends are americans, and they're not retarded. I just use terms like "american", "zogbot", "golem" to refer to a specific mindbroken drone who just acts out orders from above) come from the collective delusion of the western economic myth, which is enforced by "science" and "democracy" being absolutes that must be imposed on the "inferior classes". Much like Robinson Crusoe, the american will tolerate a savage and even praise him as long as he behaves exactly like his masters. So Salman's greatest sin, which makes him an unacceptable evil much like Ghaddafi, is not behaving american.
That's why I don't really see a democratic solution. Democracy was part of the problem in the first place. I don't think voting for anyone is ever going to fix anything.
I just don't think that a status like the 70s or the 80s, where voting actually made some sense since the state actually provided services for the citizenship, is achievable by participating in the democratic system anymore, at least when it comes to western democracies. The point of propaganda is not to sway you one way or the other, it's to construct a conversation where you are made to think you have a choice so you can't scream that you're a slave. The real problem exists above it.
