I don't know where the fuck movie threads are supposed to go. I don't understand this site's layout at all. I initially posted this thread at Daydream Cafe but I felt it disrespectful to Lynch to have his thread surrounded by such tripe.
While I think most of the threads at the occult section are a joke (a lot of it sounds like retarded ass 4chan memes.), they at least follow a theme that could be considered as adjacent to Lynch.
Anyway, Lynch is dead! He's the only modern American celeb I know of where I was actually sad that he died. It felt like I got pierced through ma heart. The last two celeb deaths that ruined my day were Phoenix Rie (Rieko Kodama) and Antonio Inoki. I think the only other American death that I'd be saddened by to at least a similar level as Lynch is John Carpenter.
Lynch has been a great influence on my life, mainly because a lot of the Japanese games & animu that I grew up with back in the 80s & 90s were all influenced by David Lynch. Even Suda51 is a hardcore Lovecraft fanboy. (Suda liked one of my random Twin Peaks pics that I posted.) Classic SMT was heavily inspired by David Lynch (amongst other influences such as the Golden Dawn.), the Lynchian influences were mainly in the SMT If timeline (SMT IF, Persona 1, 2IS, 2EP, Devil Summoner 1, and Devil Summoner 2 Soul Hackers.) and is probably why I don't really give a shit about modern SMT. Modern SMT/Persona/Soul Hackers lacks both the occult and Lynchian influences. The last occult game was Devil Survivor 1 and the last SMT-Lynchian game was probably Nocturne. Which wasn't that Lynchian but it had a somewhat similar visual style as a Lynch film.
The Velvet Room of the Persona series is the last remnant of the Lynchian era of SMT. Thinking about it, I don't think I ever hear modern megaten fans ever talking about Lynch but I'd argue that modern Megaten fans don't even fucking play SMT/Persona, they just watch random youtube video essay losers and then form their opinion on the games based around their favorite nasally voiced, pimply nerd e-celebs.
It's the same exact issue that the Silent Hill fandumb has. It's really just a community of posers who refuse to play the original PS2 games, but then act as if the remake did a good job of remaking SH2. That's what I don't understand about the "Games as Art" crowd, they don't actually treat video games as art. They treat video games as disposable & replaceable products, similar to how a corpo would view a game.
This is the best Lynch Tribute that I've seen
by an artist who is one of the only interesting film reviewers that I know of since she never does the basic bitch thing of just quoting wikipedia (Which is what most Lynch tribute vids sound like.), this vid is just some bitch talking but she understands Lynch way more than the avg person does.
She's one of the few to have noticed that despite how bleak a lot of Lynch's films came off, that Lynch was actually optimistic and one of the last few artists from the modern era who isn't cynical at all. Modern pop culture in general is just a cynical outlash against the 1970s-2000s. The outlash doesn't even come off as natural though since most of us normal people loved and still love the media from that era, even Liberals from that era made a lot of good shit like Tarantino & Coppola.
I'm fucking sick and tired of cynicism, because being a cynic is often postured off as a sign of high intelligence when it really just comes off as contrarian-posturing to me.
She even brought up how Lynch never got political at all which has been used as a crutch by 'modern' artists who honestly have nothing to say. Even their political ideas just come off as bitch made Establishment marketing for the state. It will never stop amusing me how so many alleged American dissidents like to posture as some kind of commie but in reality are just a corpo-capitalist engaged in performative theatrics that has nothing to do with communism.
When you call these bitch asses out on that, they call you a schizo. I got called a schizo because I said that Hideo Kojima has typical Japanese Imperialist views (same views that I have.) that he dresses up with Communist Socialist aesthetics.
This is why you should never listen to internet. You can be 100% correct on your take but still be regarded as wrong because 100% of the English-based internet are nerdy ass redditors and the few who aren't are 4chan anons who aren't any better.
I ain't just calling out the wannabe commies, I also fucking hate the fake ass 'catholic' fascists who latch on to fascism because they think that fascists were some kind of hidden boys club where they can freely act like assholes and have the government on their side. (It's the same stupid mindset that wannabe gangbangers have where they don't realize that gangs view themselves as a micro-government, and the law. So often times these wannabes get murked by the same stupid gangs that they tried to join.)
Back in the early 1900s, Fascism was a post-modern right wing movement and was viewed as somewhat progressive relative to the era that it came from, similar to how communism is viewed as progressive. They both were, during the early 1900s. The fact that a bunch of stupid kids are still larping as those two failed ideologies over a century later is just proof to me that kids of today have no imagination, intuition or creativity. All they know how to do is copy what a bunch of retards did in the distant past. I don't think I've ever heard a single one of these fucks mention HP Blavatsky once, when she was a great influence on a lot of the major political parties of the late 1800s - early 1900s which were all shaped by a belief called Scientific Illuminism.
What does Lynch have to do with this? Notice how he's not linked to any of these corny ass political affiliations. Only one that he could somewhat be linked to is Reagan-era cuckservatism but that just makes Lynch stand out even more because who could've guessed that someone like Lynch would attach himself to such a boring, stale boomer ass set of beliefs?
Lynch is such an old world, old school style American (Back when Americans were actually cool.) that I honestly would've thought that he was some kind of Anthroposophist or Blavatsky type instead of a lameass Reaganite. Lynch comes across as a man from the early 1900s rather than the modern era. He was born in the tail-end of the early 1900s but he grew up during the late 1900s.
Lynch was one of the only Western/Occidental people who was in this realm who understood the true nature of it, that we're actually living inside of a dream. (Modern terminology would be hologram.) Who's dream? Who knows, plenty of people think it's "God" (not to be confused with YHWH, the god of the West.), some others have more of a Lovecraft belief system and assume the dream is of some dead old god demon. The details doesn't matter really. All that matters is that you're aware that you live inside a waking world, that's actually a dream. Why this is important is because those who aren't aware of our temporary reality will often get far too attached to their materialist labels & resources. This is what causes extremism, because they think that they need to fight over the stupid political disputes that monkeys made up, and simians fight over.
None of this shit should fucking matter to you. Always walk towards your own path, all of those major political organizations that you imbeciles fight over? They're just fronts for corpos.
Even the recent Trump Elon Musk administration feels like a modern era version of the Anti-Freemason party from the 1800s. (Masons used to be common knowledge in the USA. Damn near everything that's labeled as conspiracy theory in the 2020s used to be everyday reality in the 1800s - early 1900s.)
In that, it's yet another populist faction of dissidents who claim to rally against the establishment but in reality it's just a bunch of rich fucks trying to fuck over the establishment rich fucks so that they can become the new rich fucks in charge.
Edit: Some old post I wrote about Lynch 4 years ago which was reposted byt Rake. IMO it makes a lot of sense out of Lynch's directing style.
I'll quote something you had written on David Lynch, as this thread will become the place to discuss the great Mr. Lynch:
Jack wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:14 pm
[...] Lynch is actually highly spiritual, and what he's always been doing is tapping into our world's reality but he's looking at the planet from a hierarchal perspective where the Mind is King/Godly, or the Divine and that our physical reality is just a materialist translation of Lynch's spiritual journey.
A pure materialist version of a Lynch type of story would be his movie, Blue Velvet. Blue Velvet is just what Twin Peaks, MD & Inland Empire would look like when observing our planet through a materialistic lens.
Notice how Blue Velvet completely revolves around the desire for a woman, and a battle with crime syndicates which surround this woman. These objectives are materialistic in nature. Twin Peak's guy desires the love of that woman. The Mobsters only view her as a profitable service or merchandise.
Lynch's films, Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, & Inland Empire are all following a similar story as Blue Velvet but the aforementioned 4 go beyond the materialistic, and into the domain of the mind.
Some people interpret Lynch's post-Blue Velvet movies as purely psychological. Which I believe is an incorrect assertion of Lynch's films. Not that Lynch would confirm or dispute you since his visions seem to be very close to him, and doesn't want to have his own interpretation to be ruined or sullied by an 'official' canonical chronology of his movies' events.
What Lynch's films seem to represent in my opinion is how we are spiritual beings bound by a physical shell, otherwise known as the human body. Lynch's films operate off of an occultist understanding of the world which is The Physical plane, Ethereal Plane, The Astral plane, The Mental plane & the Godhead, but are completely blinded to it, due to our materialistic blinders which translate our visual & mental processes via the Astral plane into a physical canonical translation of reality via the Physical plane which can be best observed & recorded by multiple parties as the official history of events.
What Lynch's films always try to show to you is that our personal journey mostly occurs within the mind, a domain of gods, that's constantly being manipulated by demons via the physical world which in turn affect the mind.
Lynch is representing Archons within these scenes, which are meant to be the Ethereal plane.
The Ethereal is a transition phase between the Astral/Mental & our Physical observation of our surroundings.
This is why these Alien(Alien as in Foreign, not from your mind.) Demonic entities are often displayed in easy to relate to human-made architecture with some subtle fractal shapes & patterns such as pattern of the Black Lodge floor.
The Rabbits is interesting because it seems to be an Ethereal translation of a mundane physical/materialist reality.
It's the reverse of what his movies generally try to visually interpret. His movies usually follow a top down mental hierarchy. Rabbits from what I can make sense of it (LOL! I don't really understand that short myself.) seems to be from the bottom up, but it's stuck in an Ethereal limbo that's trying to be translated into an upper psychological level of the Astral.
This scene from MD, seems to be one of the few times where Lynch tried to represent the GodHead but he showed this visual as a physical reality that transitions into an Ethereal & Astral reality, until it makes its way up to a figure who never says a word, this figure is the Godhead.
In a pure materialistic sense, you could easily describe this scene as just a business meeting with very awkward & stilted dialogue with the CEO/top official or whomever (man who says nothing), listening in on the meeting.
The dialogue is very awkward for a reason, it's conveying to you that it's a physical reality undergoing the process of being translated into the ethereal until it eventually makes its way up to the Godhead, manifestation of reality.
The game Killer7 seems to also process reality in a similar way, via the Harman & Kun Lan characters, who are really just avatars of Godhood who influence everything, through the channels of our mind.
Lynch has never confirmed or denied any of this shit, but I bet you he'd be really interested in what you have to say about his movies, merely due to how you're not representing to him, a mere physical/materialist perception of his movies that he's no doubt heard millions of times. OH derp, his movies "are all just imaginary psychological dysfunction from the brain."
No, that's a materialistic-biased translation of what Lynch's movies are, generally made by those who live only to consume the products of the Beast (AKA the Big SixSixSix corporations), but have undergone zero spiritual journey at all.
In order to truly 'get' Lynch's films, you have to let go of materialism and stop assigning worth of what you see to be of equal to the value of how they would've been calculated in a consoomerist mental mind-frame.
TLDR: Lynch's films are a translation of his own journeys' of when he has travelled far beyond the veil. Lynch does this through his own spiritual leanings & breathing techniques. Other people can also reach this process through the consumption of drugs. Which is why people often make the claim "You need to be on drugs to actually like Lynch films!"
His films only seem to make the remotest of sense to those who have went on a DMT-induced trip.
Drugs are a shortcut though, and I don't believe Lynch does drugs. He's way too calm & mentally balanced. Which is why I believe that he taps into that world, of his own accord.
[...] Lynch is basically interpreting the world through an 'As Above, So Below' mentality. That which happens in your mind, is manifested into reality through your actions.
Lynch is somewhat similar to me, he's a Christian but he's heavily influenced by Eastern religions so his interpretation of the world is somewhat Buddhist-like due to his meditation techniques. (meditation is just a method of controlled breathing to focus your mind within the astral plane.)
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Lynch's films were really nothing more than Lynch's own Vision Quests, put into film.
Or at least an influence, since it's quite clear that Lynch's movies were mostly a criticism of the demonic predators who dwell within Hollywood with Twin Peaks, Muholland Drive & Inland Empire all being variations of how Hollywood preys on young womens' desire to be loved. Lost Highway was also about HW, but it's not a similar story as the other three since it's from a male's perspective which is why that plot is far more Mafia-influenced since men generally aren't as bound by instincts as woman are, to seek love from external sources such as the fame that Hollywood could provide you. [...]
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Associating him with Reagan is reductive. He very openly promoted Obama and Sanders during the elections of the past 20 years, so at least that suggests that he was somewhat sympathethic towards political movements that at least ty to look like they support the common people. I don't think anyone in the American Democratic Party actually does, or rather, I think it only exists as containment for people who think that they do to be pushed to the sidelines in favour of a party leadership that believes most of the same things as the Republican Party. I mean, it's blindingly obvious that the only thing Biden was doing during his administration was warm the seat for Trump. And that he only got in by accident because they weren't monitoring mail in votes enough which is why they had to begrdugingly postpone Trump's second term.
But all that aside, Lynch's actual artistic output always avoided being explicitly political so I don't wanna use his death as an excuse to sperk about politics. Lynch was a guy interested in metaphysics. And in vertain social dynamics too, obviously. Maybe that's just my reading, but I think his work was about this dichotomy of purity and corruption, which is sorta like that of good and evil but not quite. Like, this sort of interplay between the natural, harmonic, clean and the industrial, dirty and entropic. And how they sort of coexist. Eraserhead is a very fascinating movie, the way it depicts this deeply corrupt world where all life exists in a state of physical and mental illness. And yet Lynch has talked about how he loves this world and how he would like to be able to live there. And that's what I find fascinating. The way he was comfortable with both sides of that spectrum. And how he was nevertheless devoted to bring more purity to this world, with both his meditational practices and his art.
I think what attracted me to his work as an angsty teenager was the darkness in it. Eraserhead, which I watched for the first time in, like, 10 parts of low quality YouTube videos when I was a kid, I liked how it conveyed the way everything feels monstrous and oppressive when you're in a bad place mentally. But what kept me following him is that I genuinely think he believed in navigating both that darkness and the light. Inland Empire is my favourite movie. For me it is a story about being trapped in darkness and finding a way out. Sort of, struggling against and negotiating with those metaphysical forces. The ending might be one of my favourite sequences ever filmed.
God, his work meant a lot to me. I don't care about all the eggheads out there with their explanation videos on YouTube. Lynch has always said that he doesn't want to clarify his intentions because he doesn't want to rob people of the meaning they find in his work. I have found great meaning in his work and I'm not gonna guess at his intentions. All I know is that his art was a big part of my life and a big part of what made me the way I am and I'm not sure I'll ever fully comprehend that I now live in a world without him.
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Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:24 pm
[...] Lynch has been a great influence on my life, mainly because a lot of the Japanese games & animu that I grew up with back in the 80s & 90s were all influenced by David Lynch. Even Suda51 is a hardcore Lynch fanboy. (Suda liked one of my random Twin Peaks pics that I posted.) [...]
I'm glad you made this thread— I was considering making it, but it's most fitting that you did.
Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:24 pm
[...] Lynch is dead! He's the only modern American celeb I know of where I was actually sad that he died. It felt like I got pierced through ma heart. [...]
This is the saddest I've ever been for someone I didn't know. But the running theme of everyone's grief, including mine, was Lynch was so personal in everything he did, everyone felt like they did know him, and as such, it feels like losing a friend.
Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:24 pm
[...] Lynch was one of the only Western/Occidental people who was in this realm who understood the true nature of it, that we're actually living inside of a dream. (Modern terminology would be hologram.) Who's dream? Who knows, plenty of people think it's "God" (not to be confused with YHWH, the god of the West.), some others have more of a Lovecraft belief system and assume the dream is of some dead old god demon. The details doesn't matter really. All that matters is that you're aware that you live inside a waking world, that's actually a dream. Why this is important is because those who aren't aware of our temporary reality will often get far too attached to their materialist labels & resources. This is what causes extremism, because they think that they need to fight over the stupid political disputes that monkeys made up, and simians fight over.
None of this shit should fucking matter to you. Always walk towards your own path, all of those major political organizations that you imbeciles fight over? They're just fronts for corpos. [...]
I'll quote something you had written on David Lynch, as this thread will become the place to discuss the great Mr. Lynch:
Jack wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:14 pm
[...] Lynch is actually highly spiritual, and what he's always been doing is tapping into our world's reality but he's looking at the planet from a hierarchal perspective where the Mind is King/Godly, or the Divine and that our physical reality is just a materialist translation of Lynch's spiritual journey.
A pure materialist version of a Lynch type of story would be his movie, Blue Velvet. Blue Velvet is just what Twin Peaks, MD & Inland Empire would look like when observing our planet through a materialistic lens.
Notice how Blue Velvet completely revolves around the desire for a woman, and a battle with crime syndicates which surround this woman. These objectives are materialistic in nature. Twin Peak's guy desires the love of that woman. The Mobsters only view her as a profitable service or merchandise.
Lynch's films, Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, & Inland Empire are all following a similar story as Blue Velvet but the aforementioned 4 go beyond the materialistic, and into the domain of the mind.
Some people interpret Lynch's post-Blue Velvet movies as purely psychological. Which I believe is an incorrect assertion of Lynch's films. Not that Lynch would confirm or dispute you since his visions seem to be very close to him, and doesn't want to have his own interpretation to be ruined or sullied by an 'official' canonical chronology of his movies' events.
What Lynch's films seem to represent in my opinion is how we are spiritual beings bound by a physical shell, otherwise known as the human body. Lynch's films operate off of an occultist understanding of the world which is The Physical plane, Ethereal Plane, The Astral plane, The Mental plane & the Godhead, but are completely blinded to it, due to our materialistic blinders which translate our visual & mental processes via the Astral plane into a physical canonical translation of reality via the Physical plane which can be best observed & recorded by multiple parties as the official history of events.
What Lynch's films always try to show to you is that our personal journey mostly occurs within the mind, a domain of gods, that's constantly being manipulated by demons via the physical world which in turn affect the mind.
Lynch is representing Archons within these scenes, which are meant to be the Ethereal plane.
The Ethereal is a transition phase between the Astral/Mental & our Physical observation of our surroundings.
This is why these Alien(Alien as in Foreign, not from your mind.) Demonic entities are often displayed in easy to relate to human-made architecture with some subtle fractal shapes & patterns such as pattern of the Black Lodge floor.
The Rabbits is interesting because it seems to be an Ethereal translation of a mundane physical/materialist reality.
It's the reverse of what his movies generally try to visually interpret. His movies usually follow a top down mental hierarchy. Rabbits from what I can make sense of it (LOL! I don't really understand that short myself.) seems to be from the bottom up, but it's stuck in an Ethereal limbo that's trying to be translated into an upper psychological level of the Astral.
This scene from MD, seems to be one of the few times where Lynch tried to represent the GodHead but he showed this visual as a physical reality that transitions into an Ethereal & Astral reality, until it makes its way up to a figure who never says a word, this figure is the Godhead.
In a pure materialistic sense, you could easily describe this scene as just a business meeting with very awkward & stilted dialogue with the CEO/top official or whomever (man who says nothing), listening in on the meeting.
The dialogue is very awkward for a reason, it's conveying to you that it's a physical reality undergoing the process of being translated into the ethereal until it eventually makes its way up to the Godhead, manifestation of reality.
The game Killer7 seems to also process reality in a similar way, via the Harman & Kun Lan characters, who are really just avatars of Godhood who influence everything, through the channels of our mind.
Lynch has never confirmed or denied any of this shit, but I bet you he'd be really interested in what you have to say about his movies, merely due to how you're not representing to him, a mere physical/materialist perception of his movies that he's no doubt heard millions of times. OH derp, his movies "are all just imaginary psychological dysfunction from the brain."
No, that's a materialistic-biased translation of what Lynch's movies are, generally made by those who live only to consume the products of the Beast (AKA the Big SixSixSix corporations), but have undergone zero spiritual journey at all.
In order to truly 'get' Lynch's films, you have to let go of materialism and stop assigning worth of what you see to be of equal to the value of how they would've been calculated in a consoomerist mental mind-frame.
TLDR: Lynch's films are a translation of his own journeys' of when he has travelled far beyond the veil. Lynch does this through his own spiritual leanings & breathing techniques. Other people can also reach this process through the consumption of drugs. Which is why people often make the claim "You need to be on drugs to actually like Lynch films!"
His films only seem to make the remotest of sense to those who have went on a DMT-induced trip.
Drugs are a shortcut though, and I don't believe Lynch does drugs. He's way too calm & mentally balanced. Which is why I believe that he taps into that world, of his own accord.
[...] Lynch is basically interpreting the world through an 'As Above, So Below' mentality. That which happens in your mind, is manifested into reality through your actions.
Lynch is somewhat similar to me, he's a Christian but he's heavily influenced by Eastern religions so his interpretation of the world is somewhat Buddhist-like due to his meditation techniques. (meditation is just a method of controlled breathing to focus your mind within the astral plane.)
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Lynch's films were really nothing more than Lynch's own Vision Quests, put into film.
Or at least an influence, since it's quite clear that Lynch's movies were mostly a criticism of the demonic predators who dwell within Hollywood with Twin Peaks, Muholland Drive & Inland Empire all being variations of how Hollywood preys on young womens' desire to be loved. Lost Highway was also about HW, but it's not a similar story as the other three since it's from a male's perspective which is why that plot is far more Mafia-influenced since men generally aren't as bound by instincts as woman are, to seek love from external sources such as the fame that Hollywood could provide you. [...]
Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:24 pm
[...] It's the same exact issue that the Silent Hill fandumb has. It's really just a community of posers who refuse to play the original PS2 games, but then act as if the remake did a good job of remaking SH2. That's what I don't understand about the "Games as Art" crowd, they don't actually treat video games as art. They treat video games as disposable & replaceable products, similar to how a corpo would view a game. [...]
She's one of the few to have noticed that despite how bleak a lot of Lynch's films came off, that Lynch was actually optimistic and one of the last few artists from the modern era who isn't cynical at all. Modern pop culture in general is just a cynical outlash against the 1970s-2000s. The outlash doesn't even come off as natural though since most of us normal people loved and still love the media from that era, even Liberals from that era made a lot of good shit like Tarantino & Coppola. I'm fucking sick and tired of cynicism, because being a cynic is often postured off as a sign of high intelligence when it really just comes off as contrarian-posturing to me. [...]
A lot has been said online in his passing about Lynch as a "wholesome" figure, and I think he genuinely was (in the original definition of that word, not the nuspeak political version), but I also think these people largely "don't get it" in the same way you're complaining about with the Silent Hill "fandom"— David Lynch was not someone who was nice because he was scared (usually the only thing that forces these types to be nice at all), he was kind because he had overcome the world— he was not afraid of the dark.
I've seen many people, even now in his passing, refer to Lynch as an "edgelord" or mock people (somewhat correctly) who took his work this way:
I would never call a serious artist or person something as cheap as "edgelord", but Lynch certainly was "edgy" in both its actual meaning, and even in the mangled nuspeak version— which is to say, Lynch was both artistically cutting edge, as well as someone with a morbid fascination:
There are many reasons I think Lynch was a prolific artist, possibly the greatest of the 20th century, but the one I have always pointed to the most, and personally found to be the most revealing, was that David Lynch was able to stare into and closely examine how unrelentingly awful and disgusting reality can be and remain unchanged. He was able to "stare down the void" so to speak.
I view Mr. Lynch as a role model on how to live, before we even touch on him as a role model for art. Because of all the people I have read about or listened to, I found him to be the best at the big, or maybe even obvious questions— what do you do with your own feelings, how do you persist in a world that seems so horrible?
Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:24 pm
[...] I'm fucking sick and tired of cynicism, because being a cynic is often postured off as a sign of high intelligence when it really just comes off as contrarian-posturing to me. [...]
Spoiler
I saw someone repost this screenshot to call this person a 'disgusting retard' (I'm paraphrasing) on X, as a perfect example of what you're talking about.
Yeah, "taste" sure... "taste is subjective" they say.. I'm not going to chastise someone for not liking Lynch as much as I do (that's where I would say "taste" is actually real), but if this is really what you think about him and his work... I couldn't take it as anything other than you've given up on living and you're butthurt that anyone else isn't as much of a quitter faggot as you are!
I couldn't give less of a fuck what happens to 4chan now— everything I ever liked about it has been dead since Chanology, which was over 9,001 years ago. But it's 'comical' to me as "someone who was there" these people wear a skinsuit of what was "my culture" just to flatten it into something stupider than it ever was by showing that the only thing they know how to do is hate themselves like losers, rather than create anything (or even respect people who do), which was surely what drew them to 4chan in the first place— or maybe not, and that's the exact problem.
/x/ was my favorite board after /b/ (or it might've even been my favorite board), and what I liked about it so much, especially as a teenager that didn't know more about culture and art, was that it (incidentally) focused on what I would consider to be the spirit of Lynch's art— a fascination with the unknown.
The "cynical edge" 4chan had in the '00s, when I used it, came from a dissatisfaction with people and a society which did not have an interest in the "beauty of the unknown" because we (4chan wasn't exclusively American, but Moot who founded it was, so) were being terrorized by our own government through false flags like 9/11 and forced into a fake war— this isn't random, I'll come back to this later in the post.
This isn't anything amazing (especially when we're talking about someone like Lynch), but it's a rare remaining artifact from that era (both the writing, the voiceover, and the editing and pictures especially) that's still online that I can point to of "what it was like", to some extent.
Lynch himself loved the internet and was incredibly excited for the possibilities it and all other newly emerging tech could have. I lived in those possibilities before I really knew who he was, but it's no surprise to me he was so easily able to predict it or learn how to use it, despite his age, that's what made him "cutting edge" after all. He was a timeless figure, and certainly a beacon against the cheap cynicism of both the world he lived in, and the one we live in.
Something I had thought to myself years ago, regarding the state of the world, was that David Lynch is "dark art" built by optimism, and Rick & Morty is "dark art" built by (pop) nihilism. I hate to even bring up that trash in this thread, but the reason I do is that it's something that really symbolized this age of cynicism (pop-nihilism) we've been trapped in since around the time Obama was elected— not that the '90s - '00s weren't cynical (as young X'rs and Millennials reveled in cynicism then), and that was even where pop-nihilism was invented (by Gen X in response to Boomers largely refusing to live in reality), but at that time, it was at least admitting what was going on (or trying to) and had a youthful vigor behind it.
From Obama forward, we've lived in this false era of "hope" where people have only become increasingly miserable, insane, and crippled.
I'm not blaming Obama the person for all of this (as he was just a puppet, and the administration + corporations is who you'd actually want to target, but he should die with them), just that there are "cultural regimes" that I feel are easiest to describe within or as presidencies, since culture and daily life tends to shift gears when a new puppet is installed or removed as it's part of regime plans changing or progressing.
Jack wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:50 pm
[...] The reality is that American culture had a fairly short Christian-domination lifespan that lasted from the 1950s-1990s.
Pre 1950s, USA culture looked more like Japan in that the people were basically amoral and didn't really concern themselves with dead gods. The USA was shifting back to pre 1950s American culture during the late 90s & early 2000s, but then we suddenly went back to the identity politics bullshit of the 1960s & 1970s and we now have unironic Christian-Reich types trying their hardest to larp as either a Cuckservative from the 1950s or the 1980s. The problem with that, is how do you deal with current day problems by retreating back to a past that they completely made up in their head? [...]
Jack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:24 pm
[...] The fact that a bunch of stupid kids are still larping as those two failed ideologies over a century later is just proof to me that kids of today have no imagination, intuition or creativity. All they know how to do is copy what a bunch of retards did in the distant past. [...]
AngelheadedHipster wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:25 pm
Associating him with Reagan is reductive. He very openly promoted Obama and Sanders during the elections of the past 20 years, [...]
Associating him with Obama and Sanders is reductive, but according to him he liked all three. He also said Donald Trump could go down as "one of the greatest presidents in history because he has disrupted the [country] so much. No one is able to counter this guy in an intelligent way." He added: "Our so-called leaders can't take the country forward, can't get anything done. Like children, they are. Trump has shown all this."
Wikipedia wrote:
Lynch said he was "not a political person" and knew little about politics. Describing his political philosophy in 2006, he said, "at that time [the 1990s], I thought of myself as a libertarian. I believed in next to zero government. And I still would lean toward no government and not so many rules, except for traffic lights and things like this. I really believe in traffic regulations." He continued: "I'm a Democrat now. And I've always been a Democrat, really. But I don't like the Democrats a lot, either, because I'm a smoker, and I think a lot of the Democrats have come up with these rules for non-smoking." He said he voted for Ronald Reagan in the 1984 U.S. presidential election; in the 2000 U.S. presidential election he endorsed the Natural Law Party, which advocated Transcendental Meditation. He said he would vote for Democratic incumbent Barack Obama in the 2012 U.S. presidential election. [...]
Okay, so Lynch, by his voting habits would be a: Reaganite Conservative, Pro-Traffic Control Anarchist (Libertarian), 3rd party throwaway vote for India's Version of Scientology, and then a Pro-Smoking Democrat. Is Lynch a Demolican.. a Republicrat??
How about a vote for: This shit doesn't matter!
Let me show you some David Lynch things that the people who are already trying to perform historical revisionism on the person he was (as if they were fighting over his inheritance like they're related to him, the unpleasant downside of my earlier comment about how everyone feels like they lost a friend or relative) will surely not archive and would probably love to be removed from the internet (too bad for those fags I've archived all of it and I'm just posting the sources):
And here's a full clip, referenced in that InfoWars video by Alex Jones, of his virtual art gallery where davidlynch.com members could submit artwork about what they thought happened on 9/11 (see, I told you we'd come back to it)— one of my favorite things he made, as it looks like Kenji Eno and Moonlight Syndrome.
"CINEMALOVER", where have I heard that name before?
Why is this listed as "THE WORST VIDEO OF DAVID LYNCH"? Because so many people who like Lynch want to "lay claim" to him, because although they spent tremendous amounts of time with his work, interviews, etc. so many of them were clearly cheaply invested in him, as though he were a political party or a sports team.
The only thing it actually "means" is that he was a "conspiracy theorist", which should be obvious if you watch anything he's made (how and why he did become friends with Mark Frost?) or listen to him talk... or anything, really.
However, "conspiracy theorist" is not a political party or stance, it's just distrusting/disliking the government (or currently, anything that's considered "wrongthink" by the retards running this shitshow, which in the not-so-distant past used to be what most people thought). It's only become something associated with the "right wing" because people like you, unfortunately, seem to be able to get ahold of commercials and propaganda from my country.
To be clear, my point is SPECIFICALLY NOT that Lynch is actually on MY sportsball team! The one run by The Good Guys. I am saying you as a non-American, just as I would recommend to Americans, should hold no political allegiance to either side of the fat, old, rich faggots that are running my country into the ground— as they are surely yours as well. It's not different outside of the U.S., we're just the biggest (political) wrestling event because we have the most money and we're tied to the whole world.. and just like wrestling, you should know the whole show is fake, but unlike wrestling, the actors are not on your side— ever.
AngelheadedHipster wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:25 pm
[...] so at least that suggests that he was somewhat sympathethic towards political movements that at least ty to look like they support the common people. I don't think anyone in the American Democratic Party actually does, or rather, I think it only exists as containment for people who think that they do to be pushed to the sidelines in favour of a party leadership that believes most of the same things as the Republican Party. [...]
I agree with you here, but what's the point of saying "at least that suggests that he was somewhat sympathetic towards political movements that at least try to look like they support the common people." Is that good to you ..? To support something that pretends it's not going to stab you in the back, but you consciously expect it to? You know you can just say the whole thing is rigged, right? You don't have to make excuses for people who would rape, rob, and kill you.
What I think you're struggling to conceptualize or say outright, is that these "political parties" are more like temperaments (that's what I believe). You're associating Liberalism and the Democrat party with being "nicer", and Lynch as being more like this. That's sort of true.. or maybe was true at one point.
Lynch is a "liberal" in the sense that he's a nice white guy who doesn't want racial minorities or gay people beat to death with bricks (we can see "pro-gay" messaging in Twin Peaks and Mulholland Drive, at minimum, plus the BLM sign in one of his weather reports, or him condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine).
But it's preposterous to believe that if "Liberalism" does not want to "kill minorities" then the other party must be the opposite, who do want to "kill minorities", that isn't a real way of thinking about anything. That's not how the world works, it's a trap designed for people who I think are stupider than you, and as such, one you shouldn't allow yourself to fall into.
"Liberalism" is the dominant 'political ideology' (the thing the television or any other screen tells people to think) of America, that's why all political debates are about "liberal" ideas, who is or isn't racist, etc. That would also be why Lynch liked Reagan and Obama, he viewed both as "Liberal." I'm sure he was hoping in both of them that they would be kind leaders (unfortunately as you yourself stated, their only job was to pay lip service to kindness, then maintain the status quo the same as always). It's most likely why we don't see citations for any support of the Bushes or the Clintons, who are both warhawk families, despite being elected by opposite parties— because the parties are just vehicles.
My point is that Lynch is never going to fit neatly into any kind of political category, and that no one should want this or give a fuck, because it's all beneath him as a person who was above the pettiness of material life, even though he perfectly enjoyed, participated in, and even loved America's kitsch materialism:
If we continued your line of logic, should we call Lynch a "Capitalist" because he supported Bob's, a chain restaurant— or even because he sold products on his website?
Can you see why I think this is retarded, and also incorrect?
AngelheadedHipster wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:25 pm
[...] I mean, it's blindingly obvious that the only thing Biden was doing during his administration was warm the seat for Trump. And that he only got in by accident because they weren't monitoring mail in votes enough which is why they had to begrdugingly postpone Trump's second term.
I'm not sure what they tell you about my country in Europe, but it sounds like they're sending over the exact same propaganda they run domestically, but maybe with a dub over it so it can more easily slide into people's Play-Doh brains.
I'm not telling you that you need to perform a mass cross-continental mail-in vote for Eternal 45, just that maybe you shouldn't be invested in the Democrat party of my country, who would happily grind you into a hamburger if it would make them a negative amount of money. You should also not "switch sides" to the Republican party, who would do the same thing, but speak about it in a slightly different way, even if I think they are currently a little less retarded (barely).
You should look to David Lynch, who clearly didn't really trust the U.S. government and maintained this distrust of them for his entire life, as being a good example for how to "conduct yourself politically."
Or you could largely abandon "politics", much like he did, in favor of things that actually matter, like what Lynch focused on, which actually did make the world a better place.
David Lynch wrote:I’m not comfortable with words. I love images, and I love sounds, and I love feelings. I like the idea of intuition; I think a lot of things in life are understood that way. But you internalize all of these things; they don’t really pop out. Certain things are built inside — little areas of understanding. I feel that I live in darkness and confusion, and I’m trying, like we all are, to make some sort of sense of it...
AngelheadedHipster wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:25 pm
And that's what I find fascinating. The way he was comfortable with both sides of that spectrum. And how he was nevertheless devoted to bring more purity to this world, with both his meditational practices and his art.
[...] But what kept me following him is that I genuinely think he believed in navigating both that darkness and the light. Inland Empire is my favourite movie. For me it is a story about being trapped in darkness and finding a way out.
[...] I have found great meaning in his work and I'm not gonna guess at his intentions. All I know is that his art was a big part of my life and a big part of what made me the way I am and I'm not sure I'll ever fully comprehend that I know live in a world without him.
Good choice on Inland Empire. It's never appreciated enough.
I fucked up my keyboard when I rinsed it, now the buttons are all scrambled so I'm currently using a plug in keyboard.
AngelheadedHipster wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:25 pm
Associating him with Reagan is reductive. He very openly promoted Obama and Sanders during the elections of the past 20 years, so at least that suggests that he was somewhat sympathethic towards political movements that at least ty to look like they support the common people.
I'm just showcasing how old world American, Lynch is. He's so oldschool that he came from an era back when Conservatives were the most dominant & mainstream culture and none of them are more mainstream than Landslide Ronnie Raygun.
LOL associating with Obama & Bernie just lowers my estimation of Lynch.
Bernie is a useless loser & has accomplished nothing. He just talks a lot. I live in the real world. Talking doesn't accomplish shit. Only violence does, and Obama understood that which is why he was insanely violent behind the scenes. It even took Trump until the 2020s for him to understand where real power comes from. (Which is why The American Empire, Zionist & Military Complex factions teamed up together to put him back in office so he can do their bidding. Who's gonna go against them? Those 3 could kill the entire world if they wanted to.)
Obama is an extension of the Bush Crime Family and 2024 seems to be the end of his influence in the USA, but unfortunately the Open Society Foundation latched on to Japan during the 2020s so now it's Japan's turn to suffer the wrath of the wokie crap that was killing the USA from within.
Unfortunately the Zionists are back in full control of the USA, but after seeing the alternative for the past 10 -12 years, I'd much rather deal with the Devil I know, than put up with that goofy utopian bullshit that Obama's handlers were peddling where they seriously tried to turn all Western leadership into mediocre DEI hires. WTF?!
I have the same opinion as Danzig in regards to Obama and the American Left. They're literal fascists.
I don't like to use the word literal, but it's exactly what the American Left have been doing ever since I was born, terrorizing American nationalists through Corpo-owned Republican & Democrat politicians. The United States itself, is officially a corporation and has been since the aftermath of the Civil War when they killed off the rich millionaires from the South and stole all of their shit.
American media just likes to play a lot of sophist word games and confuse the populace by using the terms United States of America (The actual country) and United States (the Corpo), interchangeably. Similar to how they'll use the words gender & sex interchangeably with gender being the word in dispute like how country is the word in dispute in regards to the USA.
I'm not denigrating Lynch for being a Reaganite & yes I would argue that that's the political faction that most fitted him since it was what he was recognized as during the 80s-2000s. Gotta remember, the world was a completely different place pre-2016. I was actually popular back then lol since there weren't any fucking corpos to censor me. (They were too busy censoring cable & satellite tv.) The corpos were actually forced to put up with my shit because there weren't enough dumbasses to flood the net with yet. Unlike shills of today, I went out of my way not to advertise their products and if I did, I always made fun of their shitty ads. Now in days everyone freely shills for Corpos. What the fuck happened to society? Everyone became a fucking bitch bowing down to modern day Gods yet they claim to defy God. Doesn't look like that to me. When God King Youtube tells them to shill Raid Shadow Legends, they do it with a smile on their face, like a dog wagging his tail waiting for a treat from his human.
In the modern era, we're the product, only the Corporation has full human rights and that's not an exaggeration. It's the truth, corpos are viewed as human according to the law.
We're both showing our age here. I'm 20 years older than the average age of an active internet user so I came from an era back when Reagan was viewed as a wholesome fatherly statesman.
It's generally only hippies, commies and wannabe nazis who hate Reagan. A lot of the modern hate towards Reagan is partly the result of Lefty boomer hippies who are still crying over him 40 years later (This is exactly what Millennials will be doing 40 years from now with Trump.) and Millennial self proclaimed (but have zero legit ties since neither since both factions were historically predominantly European or Asian, not American. It's yet again Americans stealing shit that ain't theirs lol.) Commie & Fascist who as I pointed out earlier are a bunch of stupid faggots larping as dead ideologies that has no place in the modern world because you can't fix modern issues with political ideas that were a reaction to their era's problems. Commies & Fascists were both viewed as progressive and forward thinking during the early 1900s.
That's what a lot of the wannabe Nazi faggots don't get. During its era, Nazis weren't viewed as edgy, counter culture or niche. Nazis were the dominant culture just like how Commies were the dominant culture. Ask any Russian in their 30s or older, and a lot of them will tell you that Communist Russia was far more manly & masculine than modern era Putin-land which is really just the Russian version of NeoLiberalism. I honestly don't understand how the fuck this site gets associated with Putin when Neo-Liberalism is the one faction that I have no tolerance for.
(It's because Americans are retarded and they think Putin is a Nazi, when Putin hates Nazis and he worships Black Jesus. I'm serious, he legit prays to statues & pics of Black Jesus. Putin is basically King Woke but everyone labels him as a Nazi.)
I can tolerate Communists and a lot of my anti corpo stances superficially looks communist. I think a lot of 'Communist' women are fucking hot. https://www.youtube.com/@partygirlspod/videos
She's smarter than most. She at least understands that Trump isn't Right wing and she just views him as a grifter who roleplays the most popular populist stances of the current climate. She's afraid of my faction though (She talks about that group in today's vid.) & when I saw that I was like., shucks looks like we can't be friends lol.
I have the same opinion as my pops (a spook who's been retired for 2 years.) in that I don't even believe that Communists exist in the 2020s. (Aside for a rare few on youtube https://www.youtube.com/@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb who get labeled as Alt Right Far Right Fascist' because that's how corpo modern Communism is, they can't even recognize a real commie when they see one.) Modern day commies are just reddit larper Millennials who think that they're radicalizing kids by joining a Chinese social media site,
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One of the best means for people to quickly communicate and to get radicalized is gone so other company's can have a better monopoly. The only positiv in the whole thing is all the people going to rednote building solidarity and getting radicalized even better
and the funny part is that the Chinks hate White Leftys and view them as pussies.
News flash, crying about Capitalism & having internet arguments with people online isn't radicalization. It's NERDY!
All the gov would have to do is hire a few assholes like me and I'll go around the neighborhood recruiting every badass I see & we'd stomp out these wannabe commies because every single one of them is fake. The real Communists were Militant badasses who relied on violence, not words. Johnny Silverhand is not real. In real life nobody is going to walk through a Corpo building and gun everybody down like Johnny. Although even Johnny didn't survive his 1-man corpo raid so I'm honestly not sure what the fuck these reddit nerds are being galvanized by. A lot of them sure live within the domain of fantasy but they also have the gall to act as if they're the most rational men in the room when their entire worldview just sounds like some edgy 12 year old power fantasy who can take down systems of power just by shouting at them.
Ironically there was even a game where they did exactly that, Dustborn the newborn Newporn. Whatever the fuck that means.
Cyberpunk is a damn good game, but the American internet fanbase are annoying wannabe Commies. Back in the 80s. I don't recall ever seeing any commies trying to claim the Cyberpunk genre as theirs. I agree that the Cyberpunk aesthetic is late stage capitalism but the main conflict of cyberpunk has always been corpos becoming the government and loss of our sense of self.
Back in the 80s & 90s, Cyberpunk was always Punk & Libertarian with Ghost in the Shell being the rare exception, which is a Military Techno-thriller. I don't understand why Redditors call GITS copganda, but I guess they see no difference between Military spec ops killers who use fake cop identities, and actual cops. Deus Ex & Matrix sure as fuck weren't communist but the modern era seems to equate all populist revolts with communism so anything that's associated with Rebels gets lumped into a huge Communist umbrella. TLDR: Reddit Communism is just University College Grad Larper Communism. It's not the same as real Communism which is a legit armed revolt against the state.
Like I've been saying, there's a reason why Millennials are often labeled as Boomers. At least Boomers lived during an era when Communism actually existed. Millennials are just larping about movements that they weren't even a part of & were little kids at best back when it was real. I usually make fun of Zoomers doing that, but I just noticed that Millennials fit that description far more.
The nazi or fascist reason for hating Reagan always makes me laugh since Cubans are generally Far Right, but they're not the right kind of 'white' to those nerds. (By white I mean that a lot of Cubans look like a less chiseled version of Henry Cavil.)
This is hilarious to me because Millennials are hating on Reagan for modern day issues that they believe that he caused when I just judge Reagan by who he was during his era since I was actually old enough to see for myself how popular he was. Raygun the last potus that the general populace loved on a somewhat similar level to Michael Jackson. Starting with Bush & Clinton, they've been nothing but divisive ever since.
It's just so hypocritical to me, because most millennials are also losers who still watch 1980s & 1990s children cartoons well into their 30s & 40s. It was Reagan who passed a law that made it legal for Corpos to advertise their products to kids. That's how videogames, anime, cartoons & comics became so popular with Millennials & parts of younger Gen X. That was Reagan's fault, but he never gets any credit for that because Millennials love nostalgia, so they just associate Reagan with modern day issue that he did help kick start but I wouldn't blame modern day issues on him at all. We have modern day politicians who have been there since the Reagan era like Mitch McConnel, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Biden who all did fucking nothing to curbstomp the alleged evils of the Reagan era.
I remember back in the 80s & 90s, nobody knew the names of politicians aside for the potus and his administration. I miss those days. It's funny to me because people act as if Biden was just some Obama dude (although Biden imo is more of a Trump guy and Biden most likely considers Obama as nothing but the help)
TLDR: I only latched Lynch to Reagan as an example of how inherently goofy Lynch is. I'm from an era where Reagan is viewed as funny & fatherly, similar traits that Lynch has. I completely forgot that you younger people treat him like he's evil or something but then latch on to a guy like Obama who orders the death of Muslim Americans that he claimed were terrorists. A lot of Raygun's modern internet perception (he's still popular in real life with real American adults.) is shaped by role-players who call themselves Communists. I know that they're not real communists because actual communists hate fags. Modern Communists claim to be LGBT & pretend that it's inherently Communist when I know that's not the case at all from the few Commies I've seen or cross paths with out in the wild.
When I hear the word communist, I think of someone more like Immortal Technique who is completely reviled & denounced by the internet Corpo-approved Communists.
I view Modern Communists to be as real as modern day Christians. They're all just faking it for the image. Sure it's funny I'm not a commie so what makes me think that I know better? I consider real Commies as an enemy faction who are part of the same struggle as me, we're both in a constant battle against the Gods of this realm. Modern day Corpo-approved commies don't point out the same monsters that I do and if they did, it's because they're just quoting Johnny Silverhand who has a solid comprehension of what the beast is that has imprisoned us through our own labor for the simple sin of being born inside the corporation. For most of us, it's the United States Corporation whose tentacles extend across the entire world.
Lynch was a guy interested in metaphysics.
I wouldn't say that he was interested. It's more that he understood that our base reality are just inverted reflections of the real world that most of us can't perceive. Lynch was one of the rare few who could which is why his movies look the way they do.
Metaphysics is just reality beyond the 'human' understanding of what reality is, because everything that we know is fake.
We don't actually know what a dog is. We just called it a dog so its identity became a dog.
Much of our human understanding was purposely constructed in a way that naturally binds us into servitude because we simply view the servitude as our logical course of action, or as our duty as citizens in some make believe grandest society
that has ever existed when every single era of humanity has always claimed itself to be the best.
Society is mostly shaped around labor & the hording of sexual intercourse. Damn near every single occult symbol is actually just a sex act or a phallus lol. That's what the real power of god is, the act of procreation but modern society has also vilified that. Not that I'd recommend giving birth to children in this shitty ass society that we've created.
There's only 300 - 500 elites and we willfully serve them rather than kill them because our entire perception of reality is written in a way where we naturally serve them.
Lynch didn't concern himself with any of that, since he's most likely smart enough to understand that you can't go against the system. (Kubrick didn't seem to give a shit, tried to and got murked.) So he just showed to us how the reality is actually layered with uncaring unknowable gods acting as a committee at the top who merely observe the humans and their drama/trauma. Killer7 kinda looked similar in that regard with the way Harman & Kun Lan are depicted. I heard that one of Lucifer's last incarnations was as a Tibetan man. I heard that from Gigi Young though and I never read anything about that. It's just amusing if that's true though, since Kun Lan (Mara) is Tibetan and he looks Luciferian and that was even his purpose in the K7 story, to act as an awakening for Matsuken & Garcian.
The way he was comfortable with both sides of that spectrum. And how he was nevertheless devoted to bring more purity to this world, with both his meditational practices and his art.
But what kept me following him is that I genuinely think he believed in navigating both that darkness and the light.
That's basically his Buddhist influence. They believe that you have to coexist with both. In the West, they try to completely suppress anything that they deem as evil which from my perspective does nothing but create anxiety issues, depression & turns the retard into an emotional mess. Although that's by design. Big Pharma corpos need a constant supply of retards which is why both Christianity & SJW Woke are constantly pushed since both ideologies dogmatically believe in purging all evil, rather then just identifying with it as a part of you.
Now that sounds like I'm speaking highly of Buddhism, but I honestly hate how Nihilistic Buddhism is. They view everything as just energy transferal and one of the leading factions in SMT Nocturne is pushing for a world of complete silence, which sounds very Buddhist-like to me.
This is why I do ponder if Lynch were an anthroposophist since Lynch is a classic case of someone who syncretizes Christian & Buddhist belief systems into his own. I tried looking it up if there were a connection there and shock of all shocks the first result you get is yet another reddit tard calling anthroposophy fascist lol. (They call everything fascist, not realizing that they resemble fascists far more than they do communists. Internet 'tards have a hard time understanding that your identity is what you do, not who you claim to be.)
I'm not sure why he titled it theosophy. Theosophy has more of an atheist bent to it (there is no creator god in their mindset.), and theosophy did actually influence the Nazis but in usual Plebbit fashion they just lump everyone they hate iunder one huge umbrella. Lynch is not theosophist at all but I do think there's a solid argument for anthroposophy.
I'll quote something you had written on David Lynch, as this thread will become the place to discuss the great Mr. Lynch:
I forgot I wrote that & way back in 2021. That post right there makes it obvious that I ain't no Lefty materialist. A lefty would call you crazy if you think the world is just a dream. A right winger would too, but they'd tell you even more insane shit that a Jewish Lesser God created everything lol. They don't ever tell you about Asherah and if you mention her, Right wing fucktards will call her a Gnostic demon (she has nothing to do with Gnosticism LOL!) when she was YHWH's wife.
Even the Big Bang falls in line with energies reflecting a reality.
That's a far better Lynch post than the one I opened with. That's actually how I write Heretic Hydra. I use the same exact logic that i explained about Lynch in that post. I'll post that quote in the opening post because I think it makes more sense out of Lynch than most people do. Most people just call Lynch creative, which he is but I think he was similar to Tolkien in that they were both just depicting reality. Which is why both of their art is so relatable. Modern art sucks ass because it's so corpo-approved and doesn't even feel like a human experience.
I also think these people largely "don't get it" in the same way you're complaining about with the Silent Hill "fandom"— David Lynch
The modern SH fandumb are the Zoomer equivalent of the Millennial Earthbound fandumb. It's just a bunch of stupid kids who never played their favorite game. They just watch a low of video essays that made them feel smart. This dumb bitch admits that she never played her favorite game SH2 before lol.
How do people like her get taken seriously when she's just a fucking poser? I guess my mini-gen was the last age group that gave a shit about keeping it real and constantly antagonizing souless corpos.
On a sidenote, I find it amusing that she's a Filipina from the Philippines but her political views just sound exactly like an everyday White Liberal American. She'd be perfect for the Saints Row reboot. The Corpo-approved Persons of Color!
What's funny is I don't even like Silent Hill and have always viewed it as overrated but I feel the need to be contrarian about it because I respect SH far more than the modern fans do. I actually view SH as a piece of art. Modern fans just treat SH as a consumerist corpo product that they crowd around as a religion. It was insane when the SH2 remake came out, because they were ganging up against anyone who said that it looked like shit or refused to review it.
David Lynch was able to stare into and closely examine how unrelentingly awful and disgusting reality can be and remain unchanged. He was able to "stare down the void" so to speak.
I view Mr. Lynch as a role model on how to live, before we even touch on him as a role model for art. Because of all the people I have read about or listened to, I found him to be the best at the big, or maybe even obvious questions— what do you do with your own feelings, how do you persist in a world that seems so horrible?
David Lynch was able to stare into and closely examine how unrelentingly awful and disgusting reality can be and remain unchanged. He was able to "stare down the void" so to speak.
I view Mr. Lynch as a role model on how to live, before we even touch on him as a role model for art. Because of all the people I have read about or listened to, I found him to be the best at the big, or maybe even obvious questions— what do you do with your own feelings, how do you persist in a world that seems so horrible?
Keanu Reeves seems to be another hollywood person who shares a similar quality. When you look into his life, it sounds really depressing. Damn near everyone he has ever loved died like 20 years ago. like Lynch, Keanu comes off as some kind of godly figure who doesn't let anything stupid like politics or religion get to him.
What's amusing is how someone like HP Lovecraft was completely terrified by the abyss that came to him so he coped by writing about it. Lynch didn't seem phased at all, and he just viewed it as the reality. You can't do nothing about it, and if you could you'd be dead already. Even Keanu Reeves breaks down sometimes and will look outright depressed.
/x/ was my favorite board after /b/ (or it might've even been my favorite board), and what I liked about it so much, especially as a teenager that didn't know more about culture and art, was that it (incidentally) focused on what I would consider to be the spirit of Lynch's art— a fascination with the unknown.
/x/ is trash, but I've only ever known /x/ since 2014 or whichever year it was where i forced to hang out at 4chan coz i got banned everywhere else. The amusing thing is they don't banned actual vile people. They only ban those who make you think, exactly what Danzig described. The last time I was at /x/, about a year ago.
I got into an argument with some Male Feminist type or maybe it was an internet tranny who claimed that one of the two sexes will eventually go extinct and it will be the women who will eventually evolve to be bigger & more muscular.
What the fuck was I even reading? First off, that's not even what evolution is. Xed had the perfect summation of what evolution is (he worded it in the same exact way that most occultists do.), I ain't gonna say it verbatim, but evolution is basically just survival of the fittest. Most Americans though, they legit believe that evolution is some kind of magical super power where you eventually mutate into extra limbs and shit. How the fuck is that any less magical & superstitious than the Right wing Christards that they hate so much. I agree that they're stupid, but I believe are both sides are fucking stupid. It doesn't make me a centrist. Centrism implies that you're in the middle trying to coexist. I don't want to coexist with them. I don't even view them as the same species as me. They're like a bunch of animals who apply an animalistic logic to everything. When an animal sees a house, they don't know it's a house. They think it's a funny looking cave.
That's what it looks like to me whenever I drop by /x/, It's a bunch of feral animals trying to comb their hair with a fork.
I never had a decent occult conversation at /x/ but I've had plenty at /pol/ way back when it had actual occultists, gnostics, & neoplatonists. These days it's a shit hole. Nothing but a bunch of brown people larping as Catholic White Supremacists. Why is it always Catholic? Historically in the USA, Catholics were non-'White' like Irish & Italians lol.
Catholics also usually vote democrat but on internet, I just see a bunch of roleplaying retards pretending to be things that they're not so most of what they say just doesn't add up but for some reason nobody ever calls them out. Or maybe there are detractors who do call them out, but they just get banned or shadowbanned from the entire mainstream internet (yes that includes twitter. Elon sure as fuck never gave me back my twatter after he bought it) like I do lol.
Lynch himself loved the internet and was incredibly excited for the possibilities it and all other newly emerging tech could have.
I wish the internet were a fountain of infinite knowledge like how Ghost in the Shell portrays it. I don't think anyone was prepared for how the future would actually look. The entire world is just one large 3rd world gutter owned by Corpos who purposely dumb down the global populace into docile complacent consoomers who eat up the same repackaged bullshit every year and treat the product as a religion. Once upon a time, Silent Hill & Resident Evil used to look like completely different games then you see Silent hill remake, it honestly looks like that it could've been a direct sequel to a Resident Evil game. That's the beauty of Lynch, he can never be imitated by corpos because they don't have a soul and Lynch's work is nothing but soul.
He was a timeless figure, and certainly a beacon against the cheap cynicism of both the world he lived in, and the one we live in.
Something I had thought to myself years ago, regarding the state of the world, was that David Lynch is "dark art" built by optimism, and Rick & Morty is "dark art" built by (pop) nihilism. I hate to even bring up that trash in this thread, but the reason I do is that it's something that really symbolized this age of cynicism (pop-nihilism) we've been trapped in since around the time Obama was elected— not that the '90s - '00s weren't cynical (as young X'rs and Millennials reveled in cynicism then), and that was even where pop-nihilism was invented (by Gen X in response to Boomers largely refusing to live in reality), but at that time, it was at least admitting what was going on (or trying to) and had a youthful vigor behind it.
From Obama forward, we've lived in this false era of "hope" where people have only become increasingly miserable, insane, and crippled.
I'm not blaming Obama the person for all of this (as he was just a puppet, and the administration + corporations is who you'd actually want to target, but he should die with them),
90s-00s era cynicism was shaped around reality. They had a rude awakening with 9/11 and with that birthed an era of extremely grimdark entertainment that accurately portrayed the senseless death & destruction caused by corpos.
The cynicism that I hate, is modern era cynicism which can be best characterized with the game series Borderlands or the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Where it takes geeky products and then adds a whole layer of self aware snark & self-abasing humor all over it and they never take anything seriously. Everything is marinated in passive-aggressive sarcasm.
Nobody takes themselves seriously anymore, and if they do take themselves seriously, all they're doing is repeating Corpo NeoLiberal performative populist politics and write the entire narrative as if it were a Saturday morning cartoon show that teaches you performative progressives moral. While the philosophical depth of the product is about the same level as a saturday morning cartoon show in that there's no depth or nuance at all, they're directly telling you what to think as if you're a dumb kid who needs to be told to stop littering. Just replace litter with stop finding women attractive or whatever and then they insert something that's safe edgy like having two gay guys fuck each other.
Modern Cynicism reads like a cartoon scripted for 5 year olds but is at the same time filled to the brim with a safe-edgy corpo=approved mockery of 90s-00s cynicism which replaces a hot girl getting buttfucked during a show with an ogre looking woman being fucked by a feminine man.
Modern Cynicism exists just to make a mockery of the legends that came before them but the works that preceded them magically sucked because they were all made by White people or something.
In reality they're just incompetent DEI hires who are simply writing what they know. They moved up the corpo ranks by simply repeating the Corpo-Approved message.
Oh and for some reason they were very offended by the media of the 1970s-2000s so they make an effort to revive that media just to take a huge shit all over it and then they call you a racist or a bigot because you refused to consume it.
I can kind of understand why these dumbass Millennials hated the 80s-2000s so much (I include the 70s because the 70s was actually far more gritty, violent & sex addicted than the 80s were. Tarantino was right, the 90s is a repeat of the 70s.) This is what public American tv used to look like back in the 1990s.
Extremely crass, but what's amusing is that in the 2020s, that gets called Right wing when back in the 90s it was actually right wingers who whined about the crazy shit that younger Gen X & older Millennials were making.
To a millennial crybaby, that looks like oppression to them and the Zoomers & Gen Alpha who didn't grow up with that, are in fear of it because they're taught that actually being attracted to sexy women is evil, or gay or both. (I got called gay because I think the original Lara Croft was hotter and I also think Morgpie looks good. https://hobby.porn/model/morgpie/
Modern Right wingers always call her a tranny, simply because she has muscles. Back in the 80s & 90s, most women were built like her. That's why women used to wear leotards & thongs in public, women used to be healthy & had broad shoulders back then.
When everyone shitted on Lynch for Dune, he didn't start insulting the audience and call them stupid. He just realized that he made some mistakes (he didn't have complete control over his product.) and he learned from it.
Okay, so Lynch, by his voting habits would be a: Reaganite Conservative, Pro-Traffic Control Anarchist (Libertarian), 3rd party throwaway vote for India's Version of Scientology, and then a Pro-Smoking Democrat. Is Lynch a Demolican.. a Republicrat??
How about a vote for: This shit doesn't matter!
Let me show you some David Lynch things that the people who are already trying to perform historical revisionism on the person he was (as if they were fighting over his inheritance like they're related to him, the unpleasant downside of my earlier comment about how everyone feels like they lost a friend or relative)
I agree that he most likely didn't give a shit about politics at all. He's an Old world Old School American, most Americans never gave a shit about politics. America's obsession with Politics is really more of Nu-American thing that happened around 2015.
IMO Lynch was most likely of a culturally Right wing extraction for one simple reason, he understood the importance of aesthetics & beauty.
A common trait that Leftys have is they don't seem to understand beauty. They think it's a subjective social construct and that anybody can be beautiful. You just have to redefine the beauty standards.
They hate beauty because it's a natural hierarchy that is formed without the 'guidance' of a committee. No matter how much you tell a straight man to stop being attracted to traditionally beautiful women, he never will because beautiful women resemble Goddesses. These women help us remember who we are, Gods.
Lynch just by virtue of how he casted his women, gave me the impression that he viewed beauty as a transcendent archetype since every leading woman he casted regardless of their race had the same ideal facial & body traits that are universally known as beautiful across most cultures.
(I just realized that the one person I knew who was in a Lynch film just died last year lol. I was gonna poast her. Damn nearly everyone I knew is dropping dead out of nowhere.)
Now sure it could be a coincidence and he simply filmed what American women used to naturally look like back in the 1900s- early 2000s but then the question is, why did they look like that? They used to live in a culture that completely revolved around gods (but they would assign it to only one god YHWH when in reality it was multiple gods that USA worshipped.) and as a result of that, the people as a whole tried to resemble gods. Gods in the modern era are generally celebrities and celebs from the 1900s-early 2000s still followed conventional beauty standards, but where did conventional beauty standards come from? The Left tells you that it's just White people beauty standards yet these standards were considered beautiful even in countries that have never seen White people before.
It's naturally ingrained in us to view these aesthetics as beautiful because these aesthetics are just the reflections of the Goddesses of beauty. That's why most Lynch girls look fairly similar, their looks came from the same origin point.
When I create characters in Heretic Hydra, I do so from the mindset of what would a God look like in human form?
They wouldn't be ugly because Gods want you to bow before them. Goddess-like beauty causes most people to naturally bow before them and that's quite fitting for this character who I'd classify as an extreme evil.
She's based off a girl that I and some others have met at Mall World, which is some kind of astral plane location.
I've seen people describe the same exact rooftop restaurant that I met her at. (They just described the restaurant. Not her. I've seen posts awhile back describe her & they'll even say her name which rhymes with thorn & no it;'s not Horne like Audrey from Twin Peaks. I don't use her actual name at all in Heretic Hydra.) When she's talking to you, you feel an extreme heavenly calm. I don't trust it. What language does she speak? I don't fucking know prob some forgotten language, it just gets translated into my mind as English.
LOL I think this is what David Lynch tries to illustrate whenever he portrays his characters speaking backwards. All I know is you are literally communicating with someone, you speak and interact with each other, you can see each other. It's a real world but I don't recognize the words I'm hearing.
Edit: I looked at a short journal entry I wrote in a ring notebook.
This is parts of the convo I had with this bitch.
7/26/2023
Tsuchiya? and 2 other girls.
Raven haired Goddess bitch:
Do you come here often?
Me:
Nah last time I was here was Jan. 27, 2023
Raven Haired Goddess Bitch:
I'd come here more often if you were here.
I'm guessing Tsuchiya was a name I was told but she sure as fuck didn't look Japanese to me. She was white. but with black hair. I did run into this bitch a few times after that but the few times that I could understand what she was saying, it was brief and it was something like "he doesn't know." or "he's not ready"
Other times she'd speak in a full blown 5-8 minute monologue and I'd hear nothing but fucking nonsensical gibberish that makes no sense to me, just like how it's portrayed in a David Lynch film, but minus the horror aspects of his films since I'd
just meet her in public settings. (I'd always forget what I was doing and immediately focus on her captivating beauty.)
I come across more than just her, but she's the only that I bothered to document because she's hot.
I may have come across a huge Blonde dude who resembles the Heretic Hydra Sigmund Bron character who told me. "You don't seem to recognize me, but you know me."
Whatever the fuck that means lol. Makes me wonder what kind of crazy shit that Lynch has came across, because experiencing it in real life, you're met with the same WTF? dialogue.
Even if I weren't depicting her as a literal evil god (In my HH fiction), she could simply lie and claim that you hit her or raped her, and an army of simps would rip you into shreds just to defend her honor. They're acting the same exact way worshippers would when you desecrate their gods.
That's actually what we're dealing with in the modern era, except the women are literally the m in simp, mediocre. A far cry from the Ethereal Goddesses that Lynch depicted in his art.
Inoki Stomps Fools! Va11 Hall-a Faggot: He's such a Chad. I bet he fucks an Asian bitch every night. CapN Jack: Who the fuk These moFuggaz? :lol:
