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I wonder what chad would think of sony's PS5 talk. I didn't like the format but it seemed aimed at devs. I had to watch a DigitalFoundry analysis of it to really understand whatever the fuck they were trying to say. And it seems like both Microsoft and Sony want similar things, raytracing whatever and also hardware sound processing. So is SoundBlaster coming back for PC when the games get ported? Or will games reproduce the sounds using the CPU?
My general understanding of these new consoles is that they want to offload the lighting and sound rendering to the hardware for whatever reason, maybe it's better, I've seen raytracing comparisons and I'm not impressed at all but I haven't heard the new sound they're promising.

I'm definitely stepping away from the hardware arms race, just playing some old games and switch games. But even if I'm in the minority of people; I think the next generation is not very "new".

[Jack]

LOL LOU 2 was leaked by some crazy fools within the Brazilian localization team, and the plot sounds even worse than Final Faggotry 7 Remake.
It was so bad, that I didn't believe it at all, until I saw proof. Holy fuck that game looks so boring. That's exactly why I left PSpoor. Every game is just WALK slowly then TALK, and then WALK SLOWLY again. Even Final Fantasy 7 Remake is like that.

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An unnaturally muscular 'woman' kills the shit out of Joel with a golf club, and beats the fuck out of Ellie so badly, that her eye pops out.

This is the new protagonist, some Dudechick?

Ellie's girlfriend getting murderized by the Tranny thing.


This is Ellie with her eye popped out of her face. How the fuck do Americans legit love this kind of shit?

It's weird to me, coz they're very anti-sexual depictions of women, but apparently killing the shit out of them is A-ok, LOL!

LOU2 is just a basic revenge plot, but for some reason it just comes off as edgy.




From what I've seen from the leaks, the Tranny looking thing is going way over board and is overkilling the shit out of the LOU1 protagonists and then she replaces them as the main character, :lol: :lol:


What's even the point of that? Weren't the Last of Us Daddy & surrogate daughter meant to be the Gaystation's mascots? I recall when I bought PS3 & PS4, Joel & Ellie were plastered on the cover of some PS boxes. I bought the one with Call of Duty though, coz I actually play COD, and COD can sometimes be... good. In MP. LOL!

At least with Final Faggotry 7 Remake, I can understand why they did the rewrites. They're trying to turn the entire Remake into its own multi-installment franchise.
LOU2's plot makes no sense to me, coz they're effectively killing their own franchise by brutally murdering the protags of their own series.

Man am I glad that I jumped over to Nintendo, where Mythra, Samus & Zelda are our female protags. (LOL they're all White Blonde chicks, but hey mang Nintendo is really good at writing likable wimmin, despite what their background is.)
On top of that, Xenoblade just has a much deeper plot in general, along with its much deeper combat when compared to LOU.

At least when girls die in a Nintendo game, it doesn't come off as edgy. When a chick dies, it shows to you just how serious the conflict is, coz characters whom you'd expect to have plot-armor, are actually just as expendable as the rest.

Now granted that's exactly what LOU2 is doing, but it has more of a pornographic effect to their deaths.
When Fiora 'dies' or Haze gets stabbed to death, it's not even shown. Instead what we get is much more effective, we're seeing the reactions from their death and the anguish that the cast feels from witnessing such senseless violence.


Even then, there's layers to those deaths. Haze was meant to be a mercy-killing from the perspective of Nintendo's version of Sephiroth.
Or in the case of Reyntime, Shulk & Dunban, Fiora's death represented their failures as men.
They couldn't do jackshit for Fiora, and they feel utterly hopeless about it for a while, but it's then used as a resolve for the rest of their journey.
In LOU2, you see Abby kill the shit out of the LOU protags, and then she just replaces them. Such shitty writing.

Nintendo does it the other way around, you start off with the villain Edelgard but she dies in every other path except her own and even then, you switch heroes midgame in her own path if you don't fulfill the conditions to continue playing as Edel.

Dimitri actually tried to spare her, but she repaid his kindness, by trying to kill him again LOL!


With LOU2, it just comes off as if they wanted to be cool & edgy by brutally murdering characters to the point that it looks fetishized.
That's something that I never understood about these supposed "Strong Female Protag" stories. Why is it that the strong females are always getting their asses kicked & they're bleeding all over the place? I remember the same shit going on with the original Nu-Tomb Raider, where she gets impaled during the beginning of the game, survives it, only to go through more gory ass shit that they survive through.
It's weird to me, coz I sure as hell never saw Ripley from Alien doing any of that.
Hell, Nintendo's Samus Aran & Mythra/Pyra (Mythra was probably what Ripley was like as a teen or college-aged adult, lol.) come off more like proper Ripley-tributes than what ever the hell this gory mess is that Westerners seem to love so much.


For the record, this is what muscular women naturally look like.

Notice how her body actually looks feminine, and not a fridge. The Fridge-body is the type of physique that a man normally gets if they're under 6 ft tall but pack on about 290 pounds of muscle. Even 5'10/5'9 (He's one of those 176cm types.) Mike Tyson really only had 215 pounds of muscle at his peak. Rhyno from WWE fits the Fridge stereotype to a tee.

That Woman/Man-thing in LOU2 was either a man who became a woman, or they've been eating some zombie-apocalypse steroids and supplemented their diet off of hooman meat or something, lol.
A lot of the Nerdlords who write and are fans of this shit, don't seem to understand how you get a big manly body. Here's the secret, you need girth, eat motherfucker, Eat! You gotta put some fat on your bones and then you shape it.



LOL Shills.


EXACTLY!




Oh btw, You're an 'Incel Virgin White supremacist Nazi who needs to have sex' if you think that LOU2 looks boring.

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I went on /v/ to check out the leaks and god damn, I could feel myself becoming dumber as I was reading through shit. Now that I had to spend a month and a half in segregation, doing nothing but eating, sleeping, fucking and consuming entertainment I can see why /v/irgins are so fucking mental though. Doing nothing all day really does drive you crazy, and fuck with your perception of reality.
I want to say every single opinion I read is fucking stupid. I've actually watched through the storyline through the streamable links.

People defending the plot, are people who think that random violence and nihilism are somehow "daring". (They're not, they haven't been since the fucking 90s when Mortal Kombat solicited some controversy, and then proceeded to have a billion games produced for any platform imaginable unopposed. Hell slasher movies have been coming out unopposed since the 70s lol. I really don't see what's novel and provocative about violence.)
I finally see what you meant way back when we were having that conversation about Garth Ennis. I never really minded his writing because the violence in his comics is so excessive, I always saw it as cartoony and tongue-in-cheek, much like older MK games, basically a self parody that I read for entertainment and then forgot about it. I remember Krixx having a similar position as me but apparently, the average consumer sees his writing as really profound and daring LOL. To the point where TLOU2 is clearly going for a similar writing style, but it takes itself completely seriously.
The violence really does come off as pornographic because it serves no real purpose to the plot. It's just an attempt to come off as "gritty" and "realistic", but I really don't see a point because it's not really trying to say anything. I've been in the presence of dead bodies, did that elevate me as a person, just seeing a corpse? LOL.

On the other hand though, most people bitching about the plot are just as retarded, because they're just crying about not being pandered to. Gamers really only understand pandering, and feelgood stories that are about making the gamer feel "empowered" and "cool".
I actually agree with the shill post that says developers should be free to experiment and do whatever the fuck. Some of the biggest successes in gaming, were born out of people thinking outside the box and doing something insane and daring for their time (that's basically every first party NES game lol. The Legend of Zelda did not follow a trend, it was revolutionary for its time. Some Super Mario Bros game mechanics originated as glitches, and were kept into the game when the devs realized they made enemy encounters more interesting. The spiky turtles were meant to have a completely different behaviour.)
The plot of TLOU2 just sucks ass though. Just because it was not pandering, it doesen't make it good. It reminds me of DmC, which also supposedly had a "good plot" according to game journos because it showed one of the main characters shooting a pregnant demon woman in the womb with blood pouring out and shit, and what made it good is that it was "rubbing it in the faces of gamers" LOL. That doesen't make it good, it just makes it unconventional. It's unconventional for a reason, it's fucking disgusting and nobody wants to look at it.

Don't get me wrong, I think nothing is sacred, so if a good story could be written around Joel being a villain and a transexual going after him, I'd be all for it. (Again, americans think that being male or female is just a choice you make. You don't even have to conform to your choice, because you can just identify as one gender and then claim that you're gender non-conforming lol. That's why Abby is a woman, because she claims to be a woman. Nothing else is really needed.)
Hell if showing a little girl being beaten up to the point of having her eye pop out actually served a purpose for the story, I would be in favour. I don't believe in censoring art at all. I just think the script is awful. That's why I think the extreme violence is disgusting, and pornographic.

Then again I never really understood why people think Naughty Dog games were well written.
I liked the Crash Bandicoot games and the Jak & Daxter games, but I could never get into Uncharted or TLOU despite how everyone describes those games as narrative masterpieces, because the gameplay is among the worst I've ever experienced and I don't think any of those stories are saying anything of value, that hasn't been explored before in movies with better acting, direction and scripts.
Hell I can watch the entire Indiana Jones trilogy in the time that it takes me to finish Uncharted 1&2. Why should I bother, when the gameplay is so fucking boring?

[Jack]

I went on /v/ to check out the leaks and god damn, I could feel myself becoming dumber as I was reading through shit. Now that I had to spend a month and a half in segregation, doing nothing but eating, sleeping, fucking and consuming entertainment I can see why /v/irgins are so fucking mental though. Doing nothing all day really does drive you crazy, and fuck with your perception of reality.

It doesn't mess with me at all. I actually haven't been outside since January 31st, the day I bought Xenoblade 2. It's not like I wanted to stay inside though. It took me a whole month to beat XB2. I got sick by the time March began & the fucking lockdown happened shortly after I recovered.

I live in a place that looks like Twitter irl though, so I usually only go outside for as long as I need to lessen my exposure to Murican-Insanity.

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People defending the plot, are people who think that random violence and nihilism are somehow "daring". (They're not, they haven't been since the fucking 90s when Mortal Kombat solicited some controversy, and then proceeded to have a billion games produced for any platform imaginable unopposed. Hell slasher movies have been coming out unopposed since the 70s lol. I really don't see what's novel and provocative about violence.)

70s horror movies actually have plots though. Especially anything made by Wes Craven. Nearly every movie that he made back in the 70s would probably be considered as extremely controversial in le current year just due to the violence & rape it depicts toward women. Which is hilarious coz his movies need those heinous acts to illicit fear into the viewer since Wes Craven's 70s work didn't have any supernatural elements at all. It was just depicting reality.

I finally see what you meant way back when we were having that conversation about Garth Ennis. I never really minded his writing because the violence in his comics is so excessive, I always saw it as cartoony and tongue-in-cheek, much like older MK games, basically a self parody that I read for entertainment and then forgot about it. I remember Krixx having a similar position as me but apparently, the average consumer sees his writing as really profound and daring LOL. To the point where TLOU2 is clearly going for a similar writing style, but it takes itself completely seriously.

LOU2 is just copying Walking Dead, which has a similar amount of violence. Notice how WD has actually lost over 13 million viewers though all due to the excessive violence and the pointless killing of protags, to the point that there's nobody worth rooting for left. Or so I believe. I haven't seen a single episode ever since Rick Grimes got written out, and I didn't even see that episode either. I was way too disgusted by the forced diversity.
It's actually what I'm referring to in GITS 2045, with how GITS actually takes the time to explain to you how Japan became more White & infested with Non-Japanese, lol.

In Walking Derp, everyone is suddenly Lesbian, Gay, & Bi. The only straight man is dating a grandma and everyone is a yuge rainbow, but there's no explanation as to why that is. It's just implied to be normal.
Which makes no sense to me, coz WD takes place in the deep South which should be predominantly Black, but instead we get a cast of predominantly White people, who all happen to literally suck each others' dicks.

The violence really does come off as pornographic because it serves no real purpose to the plot. It's just an attempt to come off as "gritty" and "realistic", but I really don't see a point because it's not really trying to say anything. I've been in the presence of dead bodies, did that elevate me as a person, just seeing a corpse? LOL.

I don't have an issue with extreme violence. I play Friday the 13th everyday, which is a game where hot girls will get their heads & limbs torn apart & bodies exploded into pieces if you suck at the game and let Jason catch you, but I'm actually laughing when that crap happens, coz in reality we're just reenacting scenes from the movies, and we're realizing that we're just as stupid as all of the dumb whores that Jason has slaughtered in his actual movies.
Sometimes we get killed by the other counselors, whether we gun each other down to steal the final spot in the car, or we run each other over with the getaway car. Sometimes you'll just accidentally kill youself by impaling yourself on the broken window glass.
F13th is like the closest I've ever seen to the Japanese movie Battle Royale, in game form. There is an actual Battle Royale game based off of the movie, but it's just a fucking beat em up.


F13th ain't trying to be deep, it's just an homage to the F13 movies which were always just a cheap excuse for violence & hot naked girls. You're playing as bunch of horny young adults who get hunted to death by a giant autistic mama's boy, lol.

What I and a couple of others have pointed out is the double standard, Americans always demonize sex and animu titties, but then they'll also glorify violence & excess gore.
It's weird, I'm not allowed to be a straight man who sexualizes Women, yet you could take the same exact woman, chop her head off and wear her intestines, and Americans won't see anything wrong with you.


It's actually why I really hate White Right Wingers (notice how that White-boi even sounds like a high-pitched, balls haven't even dropped yet, faggot, lol.), coz the vast majority of them are extremely anti-sex.

I'm like wtf is the fucking problem? So her side hustle is 'morally-wrong' cos she's making money off of her looks? It's funny coz in Japan, nobody really gives a shit. They would just insult her for not keeping her real identity & internet identity separated.

I have a typical Japanese perspective.

I view it as a necessary function. Americans see that, and assume that we're consumed with perversion when the reality is like I've always been saying, Japs just treat sexual urges as similar to taking a shit. If you need to go, then you gotta go. Relieve yourself, and then move on with what you were doing. It's fucking weird to me, how Americans over romanticize sex & the hooman body.

I think it's my Japanese-ness which helps me avoid a lot of the psychological issues that often plagues White people. Japan is a culture, where men are massively encouraged to be stoic-men within nearly every aspect of their culture, tradition and media. This is prob the case, coz most japs are naturally girly but even the girliest looking motherfuckers in Japan, have a macho attitude in regards to how they conduct themselves & live their lives..

Americans, more specifically White Anglo Saxons instead focus on the female body, and label it as a sin. Even if they're not religious. It's a cultural malaise. This is why I'm always trying to tell non-Whites to stop taking internet so seriously since damn near everything that's writing within English internet is written by White people who intentionally write all narratives to absolve themselves of guilt, and portray themselves as the victims.

White people whine about the dumbest shit. If they ain't crying about a Black dude dicking their women, they're crying about how women have no respect for themselves and show off too much skin or some shit.
It's weird, coz they're the only fucking country that's like that. In every other country, they think of women as naturally empowered through their sexuality which is why some cultures like Islam, contain & control it through the Hijab.
Or cultures like Japan completely forbid women from entering some establishments, because they know full well that men will kill each other over one woman, LOL!

The TLDR: I think this extreme focus on pornographic violence only serves to pervert and degenerate the minds of White people even further than they already are. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. Let White people be retarded, it ain't my business. What bothers me is that White people always spread their gayness to all of the non-Whites, and they do it by force, LOL!

On the other hand though, most people bitching about the plot are just as retarded, because they're just crying about not being pandered to. Gamers really only understand pandering, and feelgood stories that are about making the gamer feel "empowered" and "cool".

Most of the posts I read at /v/ seemed to have the same stance as me, and expected LOU2 to be shit anyway. It turned out to be even shittier than anyone could have ever anticipated, so it's mostly just shitposters, making fun of Soyny-fags and delighting in the schadenfreude.
That's my stance. I was the one who wrote the post about how I thought FF7Retard's plot was bad, but then LOU2 barged in to let us know that their shit is even stinkier than what Nomura crapped out.
It's to the point that Nomura's Time-Ghosts shit, comes off as cute. LOL!

FF7Retard has some of the worst writing I've ever seen, but it's actually harmless when compared to LOU2's shit writing. Imagine being an investor for Sony and you saw the plot leaks for LOU2.
I'd be pissed off that some pretentious retards basically threw away free money, all for a pointless artistic statement. At least FF7Retard is just trying to ensure that there's a marketable franchise-hook for every single installment of FF7Retard (You're a retard if you actually buy all 6 or 7 FF7 games for full price, LOL!)

With LOU2, I'd be like, how the fuck am I supposed to market this ugly dude, tranny girl thing? Joel & Ellie were easy to market coz Joel appealed to multiple crowds. Joel appealed to teenage boys for the power fantasy, he appealed to middle age fathers, Joel appealed to women because he's attractive.

Ellie meh, I guess she's viewed as an idol. She's far easier to market than Abby is. Who's going to really want to buy a toy of Abby? It's like Rose Tico all over again. Rose Tico bankrupted toystores coz nobody wanted her ugly fat ass toy. I've even seen vids where people were given away Rose Tico toys for free and the receivers got angry coz they didn't want it.

I actually agree with the shill post that says developers should be free to experiment and do whatever the fuck. Some of the biggest successes in gaming, were born out of people thinking outside the box and doing something insane and daring for their time (that's basically every first party NES game lol. The Legend of Zelda did not follow a trend, it was revolutionary for its time. Some Super Mario Bros game mechanics originated as glitches, and were kept into the game when the devs realized they made enemy encounters more interesting. The spiky turtles were meant to have a completely different behaviour.)

Zelda was just a consolized Ultima. Ultima 7 on SNES was remade to play like a Zelda game. A lot of those old ass Jap games from the 80s were just arcade-versions of Western PC games, LOL!

Is that what he's saying? I didn't see him say anything about gameplay. He just sounds apologetic to me. He claims that LOU2's plot twist hasn't been done in games before. You wanna know why it hasn't? You need to actually feel invested in your character in order to actually play through with it. That's why the twist doesn't work. We all knew Joel was gonna die. We were expecting to control Ellie though, not his killer.
Why should I give a fuck about his killer? Am I going to play through the rest of the game if I gave a shit about the previous characters? No, I'm just going to turn the game off.
Whenever I play F13 & spawn in as a character that I don't care for, I usually just let myself die or kill myslef coz I don't fucking care. If I spawn in as AJ mason, TIfanny, Jenny, Deb or whomever. I actually play good enough to survive. Usually, if I'm Tiff, I just play her like Bugsy and have her troll the shit out of Jason.

This is actually what I've been saying about how it's hard to write a plot for a game because you have to constantly keep the interests of the player in mind. LOU2's writing is really no different from Walking Derp or Game of Thrones where main characters are regularly killed off and the story continues from a different character's perspective. That shit doesn't work in games though, coz games require player input in order to progress the program forward. If you don't care about the character you're playing as, then the game simply stops.

The plot of TLOU2 just sucks ass though. Just because it was not pandering, it doesen't make it good. It reminds me of DmC, which also supposedly had a "good plot" according to game journos because it showed one of the main characters shooting a pregnant demon woman in the womb with blood pouring out and shit, and what made it good is that it was "rubbing it in the faces of gamers" LOL.

LOL, Americans really love their violence against all beings female.
As for the plot leak of LOU2 which is that white pic I posted. It actually doesn't sound that bad. It's basically the same fucking shit as LOU. The controversy is that they brutally killed off Soyny's own mascots

Hell if showing a little girl being beaten up to the point of having her eye pop out actually served a purpose for the story, I would be in favour. I don't believe in censoring art at all. I just think the script is awful. That's why I think the extreme violence is disgusting, and pornographic.

LOL fArt! Who gives a fuck about the story? It's a video toy.
That's what makes the LOU2 debacle so hilarious. A real video game would've gone unfazed by plot leaks.
If BOTW 2 or Metroid Prime 4 get plot leaked, you know no one is going to give a shit. Fuck, I wouldn't give a shit if Xenoblade DE new campaigns got plot leaked coz the actual games are fun to play.

Then again I never really understood why people think Naughty Dog games were well written.
I liked the Crash Bandicoot games and the Jak & Daxter games, but I could never get into Uncharted or TLOU despite how everyone describes those games as narrative masterpieces, because the gameplay is among the worst I've ever experienced and I don't think any of those stories are saying anything of value, that hasn't been explored before in movies with better acting, direction and scripts.

Do they? Uncharted actually does have good writing, but not for its plot. It's coz Amy Henniq is a grown ass woman, and she actually understood how to write natural dialogue that sounds like what real life people would actually say. I legit laughed at a lot of the banter that Chloe said in the latest Uncharted game.
LOL ur such an artfag.

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It doesn't mess with me at all. I actually haven't been outside since January 31st, the day I bought Xenoblade 2. It's not like I wanted to stay inside though. It took me a whole month to beat XB2. I got sick by the time March began & the fucking lockdown happened shortly after I recovered.

How do you deal with that though? Being stuck inside is making me loose my grip on reality and...

I live in a place that looks like Twitter irl though

LOL now I see. Yeah you'd be better off living in a bunker. You just described hell.

70s horror movies actually have plots though. Especially anything made by Wes Craven. Nearly every movie that he made back in the 70s would probably be considered as extremely controversial in le current year just due to the violence & rape it depicts toward women. Which is hilarious coz his movies need those heinous acts to illicit fear into the viewer since Wes Craven's 70s work didn't have any supernatural elements at all. It was just depicting reality.

Oh I wasn't even comparing them plot-wise or quality-wise. I'm just saying that extreme violence in media is nothing new, yet it's still being treated as "daring" and "provocative" to this day.
Like seeing that shit is supposed to rub it in your face that yes. We are but merely flesh and blood. *tips fedora* an intellectual like me is unfazed by such brutality, but to you, it shows that there is no god, we are but bags of blood roaming a space rock. How does that make you feel??
My point is that it doesen't really make me feel anything because violence has been normalized in american media for 50 years, lol. Again am I elevated because I've seen a corpse? The fact that we're organic beings with organs and blood is some of the most obvious statements in human history.

LOU2 is just copying Walking Dead, which has a similar amount of violence. Notice how WD has actually lost over 13 million viewers though all due to the excessive violence and the pointless killing of protags, to the point that there's nobody worth rooting for left. Or so I believe. I haven't seen a single episode ever since Rick Grimes got written out, and I didn't even see that episode either. I was way too disgusted by the forced diversity.

I thought it was common knowledge that TWD kills off any popular character they can get away with to avoid paying higher wages to their actors, lol. Even Cawwwrl was murdered over a wage dispute if I remember correctly, and he was a kid we had been seeing grow up since season 1.
Story arcs are not meant to make sense in TWD, it's a dumb soap opera for mentally deficient retards.
What I gather from this, is that the writers of TLOU2 looked at writing born out of convenience (again, killing off actors who might ask for more money since they're an audience draw) and though oh, this is so artful! So daring! It's making me question so much about my life and my allegiances, that what we percieve as the GOOD GUY, might actually be the BAD GUY in someone else's eyes AND VICE VERSA! Ahhh the humanity. Who knows who's gonna die brutally next episode. I'm on the edge of my seat!
I would argue Americans are fucked in the head in the first place since they seem to percieve the actual real world as good guys and bad guys. So in that sense it must be mindblowing for them lol. I remember they had to be told during the second gulf war that iraqis actually had families with babies and shit because apparently they were not aware of that.

Americans, more specifically White Anglo Saxons instead focus on the female body, and label it as a sin. Even if they're not religious. It's a cultural malaise.

I can confirm it's non-religious because Italy is actually mostly Catholic, and yet sex is not the big scary no-no that is in the United States.
In fact. I actually get weirded the fuck out by Americans who make such a big deal about getting laid. I have a couple of american friends who recently got girlfriends (though i suspect one of them might be lying lol, he has shown pics of himself with his female housemate and she seemed disgusted by him) and I'm not even hanging out with them now because all their conversations are a variation on "I got laid! I HAD SEX!" and it has gotten very boring
Everyone around me has been getting laid since I was 13 or 14 so nobody ever really talks about it, it's just a normal thing that happens so there's no point in constantly having a spotlight on yourself pointing out that you HAD SEX lol.

Most of the posts I read at /v/ seemed to have the same stance as me, and expected LOU2 to be shit anyway. It turned out to be even shittier than anyone could have ever anticipated, so it's mostly just shitposters, making fun of Soyny-fags and delighting in the schadenfreude.

Most of the post I have seen, were actually sony dicksuckers being upset that their poor digital daddy avatar has been killed, like legitimately upset as if he were a real person lol. (We obviously went to the board at different time. I hadn't been on /v/ in ages because I have self respect, but I am pretty sure threads still cycle through pretty quickly.)
I understand your perspective. You're saying the marketing of this game makes no sense, because it's renouncing mass market appeal by having some mannish looking gremlin brutalize the main characters that were used to market the previous game and the consoles themselves.
All I'm saying is that the writing comes off as awful, 13yo edgy nihilists seem to have written this. I can already see the journos praising the story, just for being "gritty" and "subversive" when in reality it comes off as childish. I don't mind if they want to kill off the main character or do something else that's unorthodox, I just wish they'd do it well

This is actually what I've been saying about how it's hard to write a plot for a game because you have to constantly keep the interests of the player in mind. LOU2's writing is really no different from Walking Derp or Game of Thrones where main characters are regularly killed off and the story continues from a different character's perspective. That shit doesn't work in games though, coz games require player input in order to progress the program forward. If you don't care about the character you're playing as, then the game simply stops.

LOL fArt! Who gives a fuck about the story? It's a video toy.
That's what makes the LOU2 debacle so hilarious. A real video game would've gone unfazed by plot leaks.
If BOTW 2 or Metroid Prime 4 get plot leaked, you know no one is going to give a shit. Fuck, I wouldn't give a shit if Xenoblade DE new campaigns got plot leaked coz the actual games are fun to play.

Isn't that what we're always saying though? That Sony exclusives are always trying to be movies.

I remember when L.A. Noire came out and pulled a similar thing of switching protagonists right at the end, and it was written in a way that 90% of the game actually had nothing to do with the main plot, hell the main character wasn't even really the main character. The real MC didn't get introduced until the last fourth or fifth of the game really.
It didn't make any fucking sense and that's why imitating movie writing does not work for videogames at all.
I don't think writing for videogames is hard at all, you just need to come up with a story that is conductive to gameplay happening as the plot.
Mario needs to rescue Princess Beach. Now Princess Beach is all the way to the right, and Mario Mario is all the way to the left. The plot in motion is that mario walks from left to right, the conflict being that there are pitfalls and goombas and turtles along the way LOL. How does Mario solve that conflict? He jumps and runs, and in the end he finds Peach all the way to the right side of the screen.
Obviously you can do things that are much more elaborate than this but still be conductive to gameplay. As you yourself pointed out in the JRPG thread. What doesen't work however, is just copying script structure from movies and tv shows and expect it to work in an interactive format. Or a novel for that matter lol.

LOL ur such an artfag.

I'm actually starting to wonder if the word Art in english might have different implications than in italian. It seems to me whenever you mention art in english, anyone immediately assumes you're talking about fart huffing high brow pretentious shit.
In italian we just use it for everything, like there is an art to building a table, it doesen't have to be a giotto painting. I guess the closest concept in the english language would be "craft"?

[Jack]

It doesn't mess with me at all. I actually haven't been outside since January 31st, the day I bought Xenoblade 2. It's not like I wanted to stay inside though. It took me a whole month to beat XB2. I got sick by the time March began & the fucking lockdown happened shortly after I recovered.

How do you deal with that though? Being stuck inside is making me loose my grip on reality and...

Deal with what? It doesn't bother me at all. I've been doing this for years. I really don't understand why you fuckheads go crazy. Crazy from what? Lack of sunshine? Boredom? Well fuck I'm bored all the time. At least inside the house, I don't have to deal with other peoples' drama.
When I do finally go outside, you'd never guess that I was inside the house for half a year coz I don't act like a shut-in. I'm naturally extroverted so I just channel the energy from others within my surroundings.
You know, shit that I used to fucking do on internet until I fucked up all of muh internet cred by daring to be extroverted online. OOOOHH MY FUCKING GOD, I ASKED A CHUMP WHAT HIS JOB WAS! HOW DARE I!?

Meanwhile in reality, isn't that a normal smalltalk question that everyone asks? I had no idea that asking ur occupation was such a criminal offense. Them fucked up discord trannies though, one of them got really fucking mad coz I asked what his job was. He was a Neet and he's ashamed of it. I'm a neet too, but I don't give a shit. Prob coz when I go out in public, peeps treat me like I'm Tony Stark or something. I even have a similar charisma.

My point is that it doesen't really make me feel anything because violence has been normalized in american media for 50 years, lol. Again am I elevated because I've seen a corpse? The fact that we're organic beings with organs and blood is some of the most obvious statements in human history.

1st world bullshit. Kinda reminds me of what Kax was saying at the other forum, how he doesn't like shit like GTA and always prefers Nintendo games coz he actually wants games to be a form of escapism. He already sees GTA shit happening in real life, lol

I thought it was common knowledge that TWD kills off any popular character they can get away with to avoid paying higher wages to their actors, lol. Even Cawwwrl was murdered over a wage dispute if I remember correctly, and he was a kid we had been seeing grow up since season 1.

That's how the show turned out by the 8th season or whatever but the actual writing style of just killing off random main characters for the shock value, came from the comics.

What I gather from this, is that the writers of TLOU2 looked at writing born out of convenience (again, killing off actors who might ask for more money since they're an audience draw) and though oh, this is so artful! So daring! It's making me question so much about my life and my allegiances, that what we percieve as the GOOD GUY, might actually be the BAD GUY in someone else's eyes AND VICE VERSA! Ahhh the humanity. Who knows who's gonna die brutally next episode. I'm on the edge of my seat!

"DID YOU KNOW THAT VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE?" *Sips asstasting Starbucks cafe-late*

I would argue Americans are fucked in the head in the first place since they seem to percieve the actual real world as good guys and bad guys. So in that sense it must be mindblowing for them lol. I remember they had to be told during the second gulf war that iraqis actually had families with babies and shit because apparently they were not aware of that.

It's called binary thinking. I criticize that all the time. They think there's only ever two sides to a conflict.
(So not true when you see me playing Smash Bros. I just let everyone else kill each other and then I kill off the left overs.)

LOL even Rake seems to have the binary mindset.
OOOH derp, I make fun of how evangelists don't believe in evolution, that allegedly means that I'm Libertarian.
Yeah how very Libertarian of I, I also don't believe that gays have the right to marry and I think trannies are mentally retarded. A Libertarian would say that they're free to believe in what they want, so long as they don't violate the personal rights of others.
I would go oldschool Japan on them and have it so the entire society gives them a cold-shoulder and would not even acknowledge them until they learned to act like proper grown-ups and stop putting their sexuality ahead of their nation. It used to be like that in Japan, just a few years ago, but Murica's gayness is being forced on every culture.

I can confirm it's non-religious because Italy is actually mostly Catholic, and yet sex is not the big scary no-no that is in the United States.
In fact. I actually get weirded the fuck out by Americans who make such a big deal about getting laid. I have a couple of american friends who recently got girlfriends (though i suspect one of them might be lying lol, he has shown pics of himself with his female housemate and she seemed disgusted by him) and I'm not even hanging out with them now because all their conversations are a variation on "I got laid! I HAD SEX!" and it has gotten very boring
Everyone around me has been getting laid since I was 13 or 14 so nobody ever really talks about it, it's just a normal thing that happens so there's no point in constantly having a spotlight on yourself pointing out that you HAD SEX lol.

Have sex. Incel. LOL when I read some of those comments that discord trannies say about me. They call me a virgin who needs to get laid. I'm like ok, Real life doesn't work like that. You don't just magically unfucked someone just coz someone called you a label, lol.

I think it's part of their weird cult-belief where if they collectively believe in something hard enough, that it eventually wills it into reality. Kinda like how they believe that they'll become women if they just make everyone believe hard enough that they're actually women.

Most of the post I have seen, were actually sony dicksuckers being upset that their poor digital daddy avatar has been killed, like legitimately upset as if he were a real person lol.

I saw a lot of those posts too, but I just write them off as retardera trannies. I legit believe that all of those Soyny posters are noobs & shills. A lot of them don't understand that there's a difference between games & movies so they sincerly like bullshit like Death Stranding and they actually believe that it's a misunderstood masterpiece game. Sounds like retardera to me.
The real /v/ was on 8chan, who knows where they post now. I only ever visit /v/ when a 'controversy' happens, coz most of the time it usually came from there, lol.

All I'm saying is that the writing comes off as awful, 13yo edgy nihilists seem to have written this. I can already see the journos praising the story, just for being "gritty" and "subversive" when in reality it comes off as childish. I don't mind if they want to kill off the main character or do something else that's unorthodox, I just wish they'd do it well

Comes off? It is awful. What's funny is that those types usually claim that you have to be 13 years old to if you're into games that have sexy people in it, when I kinda thought that idealized people were the norm. We often buy products with idealized people in them, precisely coz they're not the norm. That's why I don't like games outside of Nintendo produce these days. You sure never see anyone who looks like Twintelle or Myrhtra in a Non-Nintendo product.
Why the fuck would I want to spend $60 on a game where all the characters look like generic, ugly, fat ass Americans?

There's rumors that the art direction for Western games are so ugly, because they don't want to offend the tranny-demographic.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/04/i ... ty/108169/
That's just weird to me, coz trannies aren't a large demographic at all.
Even DNC partisans made fun of democractic politicans who pandered too hard for trannies coz they're not at all a big enough statistic that would affect the election. Latinos are a large ass voting-bloc, in a few years they'll be larger than the White demographic. How do you go from Latino to Tranny? LOL!

Edit: Forgot to include the pic.

I can't believe that's not a meme. It's actually real and PSpoor fags will happily eat this shit up.
I'd much rather see an onslaught of people playing Animal Crossing in my friends' list, like I'm currently seeing. At least Nintendo exclusives all have different gameplay. It's not just the same cinematic walking & talking movie.

Isn't that what we're always saying though? That Sony exclusives are always trying to be movies.

DId I imply that they weren't movies? I'm damn sure that's what I was saying.

It didn't make any fucking sense and that's why imitating movie writing does not work for videogames at all.
I don't think writing for videogames is hard at all, you just need to come up with a story that is conductive to gameplay happening as the plot.
Mario needs to rescue Princess Beach. Now Princess Beach is all the way to the right, and Mario Mario is all the way to the left. The plot in motion is that mario walks from left to right, the conflict being that there are pitfalls and goombas and turtles along the way LOL. How does Mario solve that conflict? He jumps and runs, and in the end he finds Peach all the way to the right side of the screen.

Not this bullshit again. When I say that it's hard to write a plot for a videogame. I'm referring to real complex narratives which can not be done within the video game medium due to the need for player input. Yes, of course it's easy to write a plot if you keep it set to a standard object based, goal oriented plot.
I never fucking disputed that. I'm fucking talking about how it's hard to write the type of plots that Druckman tried to write, plots that are multilayered, metaphorical, philosophical and can work as allegory.

Could you fucking do something like Godfather as a video game? Hell no. That's why even the actual Godfather game didn't even bother, and had you play as a new recruit who did irrelevant bullshit while the actual movie plot unfolded without your involvement at all.

If you want to actually write a plot that isn't a simple object based narrative, then video games are the last place you should try. I think the only complex form of plot that works in video games are Murder mysteries. (Which is what most ADV games are.) Those type of plots work, but so far not a single one of them has made over a million dollars in profit which indicates that gamers don't even want complex plots to begin with.

This is why stuff like Animal Crossing, Minecraft sales the most, or in the other side of the spectrum, stuff like Call of Duty, Mario Kart & Smash Bros. People want to create their own stories through gameplay, not passively watch through a prewritten one, where the story is played out through movies.

Obviously you can do things that are much more elaborate than this but still be conductive to gameplay. As you yourself pointed out in the JRPG thread. What doesen't work however, is just copying script structure from movies and tv shows and expect it to work in an interactive format. Or a novel for that matter lol.

I don't think I have. Even in those games, the stories are abstracted in a way, that makes it work within a game. They're not narratives in a traditional cinematic or novel sense. They're just events that play out as a reward mechanism for completing in-game goals.

Sephiroth killing Aerith, had that scene happened in any other medium, it would've been laughed off as random as fuck. It works within the game coz gamers generally don't give a shit about logic, LOL!
If you were to rewrite that scene for film, you would have to insert a betrayal by someone close to them, or maybe use one of the Turks, such as Yrena, and then have a subplot that makes you wonder if you could trust them or not. Then when the Aerith deathscene occurs, you'll have all of your questions answered within that one scene.
"Can you trust Yrena? Is Aerith a crazy flower prostitute who believes in delusions of grandeur? Is Jenova really that much of a threat?"
If you have Yrena build up trust & camaraderie with the party, it eliminates the logic-hole of her jumping from out of nowhere, coz she won't come from nowhere. She'll be standing side by side with the party before Jenova takes over her body and uses it to kill Aerith.

The Aerith death scene as is, only works within the video game format because as gamers, you're trained to expect something cool to happen. That's generally the problem with Nomura's writing style. He's clearly an imbecile who doesn't read anything, except for maybe manga. So in his mind, every scene needs to have an epic event that happens, just because something cool needs to happen.

In a normal film or novel though, there needs to be a consistent logical-flow to the story so that every event occurs naturally within the details of the plot

What most videogames do, is you have portions of gameplay and then a cutscene where something cool happens. Or in the case of LOU2, something tragic. Videogame storytelling follows a rewards-based training process where you are trained to search for problems and then solve them, which is why LOU2's plot is so damn hilarious coz they're rewarding you by punishing you for playing the game. The problem here is that Druckman is a dumbass who doesn't understand what a game is. Or rather, he doesn't care and he's only concerned with being the man who changed gaming for the better through his 'brave' story telling.

This is also why I really hate non-Nintendo modern games. Modern games tend to eliminate the problem solving aspect of gaming, and will instead make everything so linear that the only gameplay you have is to walk forward & slowly talk. The most hilarious part is how you're actually shown a waypoint & objective marker to show you where you need to go, even though all you need to do is walk forward.
So you're essentially being rewarded for doing nothing, since you're doing fucking nothing throughout the entirety of the game.

I'm actually starting to wonder if the word Art in english might have different implications than in italian. It seems to me whenever you mention art in english, anyone immediately assumes you're talking about fart huffing high brow pretentious shit.
In italian we just use it for everything, like there is an art to building a table, it doesen't have to be a giotto painting. I guess the closest concept in the english language would be "craft"?

You're using the 2nd, and less used meaning of the word art.

I was going to mention craft for the most apt word. The way you used it though was within the context of a story within a game. I don't see how a little girl getting her eye exploded would be any better with expert crafting. The actual rendering of the cutscene is superbly crafted. The violence looks realistic. I'm still laughing coz it's not a videogame, lol! It's a movie within the framework of a game, which plays multiple movies throughout the game as you walk to each cutscene.

[Iwazaru]

Speaking of tlou2 scandal.

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Deal with what? It doesn't bother me at all. I've been doing this for years. I really don't understand why you fuckheads go crazy.

Well I was obviously making a joke there, I guess it didn't land but it you really wanna know what gives me anxiety personally is not being able to check on my work assets. For all I know someone broke in and stole all my shit, but I won't be able to check for two more weeks lol.

I was going to mention craft for the most apt word. The way you used it though was within the context of a story within a game. I don't see how a little girl getting her eye exploded would be any better with expert crafting. The actual rendering of the cutscene is superbly crafted. The violence looks realistic. I'm still laughing coz it's not a videogame, lol! It's a movie within the framework of a game, which plays multiple movies throughout the game as you walk to each cutscene.

The craft in that regard would be the writing. I guess most people believe that all you need to be a writer is an idea and a piece of paper to write it on.
If that were true I'd be starving, because I've been making a living as a ghost writer again during the lockdown (for a youtube reject lol).
There is a level of expertise that you need in writing even basic storytelling which is mostly missing from videogame writers.
I used to say that they needed to hire actual writers, but at this point hollywood writers are just as bad as videogame writers lol. Most hollywood movie plots make no fucking sense anymore. The writers of the new star wars movies are so fucking stupid, their movies get retconned by comics and novels because they inadvertedly do shit like having cousins tongue one other because they forgot they were cousins LOL.

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Speaking of tlou2 scandal.

That doesen't surprise me at all. I remember hearing of ND employees getting fucked by the company some time ago.
It's hilarious because their products are obviously meant to make them look like liberal progressive, but their company structure is clearly ultra capitalist in the sense that they will fuck the worker at any possible turn LOL! It really shines a light on how superficial the american understanding of politics is. They will frame ND as a "socialist" company just for showing a few lesbians, even though the behaviour of the rapresentatives and owners is not socialist at all.