Jack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Well what I wanted to explain in my more elaborate post is that the games' industry doesn't actually make more money than Hollywood. That's just marketing-speak.(...)
I never heard that viewpoint, I always hear everywhere that games are more profitable and so on.
It's marketing speak. In reality there's only 2 or 3 games (not made by Nintendo. Ironically, it's actually Nintendo that's bigger than the majority of Hollywood, but you never hear that. Prob coz Sony actually is a Hollywood Film studio and their studio is dying.)
that actually sell better than movies but they come up with this fantasy about how gaming has overtook Hollywood.
If that were true, wouldn't you think that Hideous Kojima would be satisfied with his position as a videogame auteur? Kojima is still a wannabe Film-maker.
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Technically Grand Theft Auto V has made over 7 billion dollars, but that figure is only true if 120,000,000 people actually did buy 120 million copies new at full retail price. They didn't, I bought GTA V about 3 times and the only time I ever bought it at $59.99 was on Xbox360 day 1 of release.
The other times I just bought GTAV for $20 new with every dlc that it came bundled with.
The 6 billion or 7 billion claim doesn't make sense to me coz Rockstar games has a networth of only 3 billion or 4billion in March 2020.
Nintendo's networth is 95 billion in March 2020, and that does make sense, coz Nintendo makes the vast majority of the top 50 selling games.
When I look at the 50 movies list, all of them except for the last three have generated over 1 billion $.
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These are just ticket sales though. Overall, popular movies make double the reported amount due to DVD, Blu-Ray & Streaming services.
Video games are a bit more complicated to calculate coz something like Minecraft costs about $20 - $25 each on PC, PS4, & Xone.
That's about $4,000,0000,000 if we assume that everyone bought it for at least 20 - $25, but I think that tally is actually including downloads from back when the game was free, LOL!
I don't believe that it really made that much money. The actual creator of Minecraft only made $1 billion off of Minecraft but that was what Microshit paid him to buy the name brand off of him.
When I look at the top selling video games, it's really only Nintendo that's selling over 1 billion and we know this for certain coz nearly every Nintendo game is bought New for full priced, even several years after the game was released. I bought BOTW earlier in the month a few weeks before lockdown, a 3 year old game, that I bought for $65. I did the same thing with Xenoblade 2 the previous month, which is also a 3 year old game.
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GTA 3 sold 17,500,000 copies which is only about 875 million dollars if we assume that everyone bought a copy for the full price of $49.99 new.
This is a case of numbers don't lie. The words may tell you a reality that they want you to believe but the numbers paint a completely different depiction of events that do not gel with reality.
What's really happening is that the gaming industry is constantly trying to break even and they try to cut costs by firing the development-people who made the damn games in the first place, LOL!
Sure on paper they made a lot of money, but they also spent a lot of money so the only number that really matters is how much profit they made.
Outside of a few lucky Indie game devs, Rockstar Games, Blizzard/Activision, CD Projekt Red & Nintendo, everyone else is always one flop away from going bankrupt
This was the case with Capcom all the way up until their surprise hit Monster Hunter World moved them out of the gutter which sold about 14.7 million and generated about $840 million. That's a lot of money for Capcom, because a couple years ago they only had 70 million to operate their entire company.
Keep in mind that a single triple A game costs more than 100 million to make, LOL! (mostly due to marketing.)
Blizz/Act is weird, Activision follows the yearly installment, fire the whole development team model but Blizzard's practices mimic Nintendo in that they usually only make 1 game of a series, per generation.
In CD Projekt's case, it's just Witcher 3 but that game alone made over 1 billion in cash. CDPR currently has a track record that's on par with Nintendo and I don't see that changing with Cyberpunk. That game may actually do better than Witcher 3 due to all of the fan enthusiasm, hype & marketing.
To create a much simpler visual, what the gaming industry is doing, is recycling the same pool of money over & over, which coincides with how they recycle the same exact game over & over but reskin it a bit, and sell it as brand new.
What these numbers don't tell you is how much money they're making from DLC, which is prob where all the real money is being made and that may indeed eclipse the movie-market.
If you were to go that route though, then you would have to include movie-tie ins such as Toys, comics & sometimes even games which are released as part of the marketing budget of the film.
I think movies undoubtedly make way more money than video games especially when it comes to the foreign markets, who don't play nor care about games as much outside of the USA, Europe & Japan.
Hell China has it's own gaming market (Tencent) which is richer than every single company except for maybe Microsoft.
The one aspect where I think gaming does have an advantage on is in-game monetization & DLC, since most games these days will release hundreds of DLC so long as consumers keep paying $30 just to change a simple hair color on their waifu or self-insert character, LOL!
I'm not familiar with any records of how much money DLC generally makes, but it obviously makes over millions of dollars considering how every company does it.
The only DLC number I know of is Monster Hunter Iceforge which sold 5 million downloads at $29.99 so that's about $150million which means that Monster Hunter World is Capcom's only 1 billion dollar making game.
I look at which has much more cultural impact on a worldwide scale and that's definitely movies. Far more people around the world know Avengers Endgame than they do Grand Theft Auto 5 or Minecraft.
People in China know who the Avengers are, but they wouldn't know shit about GTA V, they'd most likely play the bootleg Chinese equivalent, whatever that is.
The myth seems to originate from how one game, GTAV has sold more than the entire Theater ticket movie industry, but we're not being told the whole story. It's a lie through omission, they're equating Theater movie attendance with the entirety of the movie industry which would include Optical media & streaming sales along with merchandising.
GTAV prob did generate much more money, only due to how it has never-endless DLC, and they're still releasing new DLC even though it's an old ass game from 2013.
I still have my theory that the media boycotted nintendo back in the WiiU days because Nintendo started their "Direct" format and that the Directs were a sort of "fuck you" to the regular media and marketing. I could be wrong though. But doesn't anyone remember how harsh ALL articles were on nintendo back then? Some even would daydream about nintendo leaving the hardware market. I'm glad nintendo's leadership and engineers turned everything around with the switch.
Yeah they're always anti-Nintendo because Nintendo isn't following the same business model as the rest of the industry. Too bad this behavior also trickles down to the consumers. I see a lot of PS4 fans who claim that only PS4 has worthwhile exclusives (most of which are just movie games where all you do is walk and sometimes shoot, like Death Stranding.)
They won't even bother with the Switch because of Switch's lack of graphical fidelity. Which is asinine to me coz Smash Bros Ultimate, & BOTW are completely unique experiences that you won't find anywhere else. (As is Xenoblade 2, but that's a more acquired taste. SMash & BOTW are far more casual-friendly.)
A lot of people try to label BOTW as just a generic sandbox game, but those who have done that, have most likely not played the game.
BOTW even makes those lame Far Cry/Assassin Creed style towers fun, coz each tower in BOTW has its own gimmick that must be overcome. It's not a copy & paste job like it is in similar games outside of the Switch.
On top of that BOTW has the best combat from an openworld game and the best physics engine where even the combat is affected by the physics. Not just the environment and the characters' interactions with it.
GTAV has a good physics engine and is really the only other open world game that compares with BOTW's freedom but GTA has stiff combat which completely ignores the physics engine.
Nintendo actually makes more money on average due to how they spend much less on game production & marketing yet they still end up selling twice as many games as their competitors.
Rockstar & Blizzard/Activision are really the only other companies that releases multi billion selling hits on an annual basis, but something is not adding up here coz both of their networths are a little below SEGA, yup that Sonic-SEGA, LOL!
It makes sense with Sega, they don't make shit these days. I'm guessing Nintendo generates far more money on average even when Rockstar & Blizzard can make comparable sales figures, simply due to how Nintendo games are generally bought at full price no matter how old the game is. Nintendo games actually go up in price the older it becomes, lol.
On top of that, Nintendo owns the platform that their games are made on so they make double the cash from the full priced games, which were also made on their platform, using the media that Nintendo owns the rights to. This was actually the reason why Nintendo refused to move over to optical media back in the 90s, coz Sony owns the technology.
The large budgets and bureaucracy are making games shit. I think this is another reason to see beyond graphics, because PS5 tier graphics are going to require colossal budgets.
I'm not looking forward to that either, coz the PS4 barely has any games that play at native 4k which is why I don't give a shit about playing games at 4k resolution. (I think only Spiderman, God of War 4 & Last of Us 2 are native 4k. I'm not sure.)
Who cares when you're just playing an upscaled 720p game (which is what most games are, they just upscale the assets to 4k like Borderlands.) in a resolution that the game's assets weren't even made on?
I think the biggest example I can think of is MGSV engine. Ok the game ended up being shit sure whatever. But the mechanics and the gameplay was 100% perfectly doable on PS3 hardware.
BOTW is everything that MGS V thought it was. People like to meme about how empty BOTW is, but that BOTW actually has 7 or 8 cities which are about as big as Skyrim cities so you only see about 15 people tops, lol.
The amazing part for me though is that BOTW is an action game just like MGSV.
The best part of MGS V was actually Ground Zeroes and too bad Ground Zeroes was just a demo, coz the actual game plays nothing like it.
BOTW's version of Ground Zeroes is Hyrule Castle. In both Ground Zero & Hyrule Castle, you're given multiple options & varying pathways to complete the mission anyway you see fit.
At least BOTW has a fully realized world. It just feels 'empty' due to a lack of dungeons. This wouldn't be a problem were it not a Zelda game. When compared side by side with MGSV, it's clear to see which game followed the sandbox approach of Ground Zeroes far more accurately and it wasn't MGSV.
that's very weird.
I ran our site trough antimalware checks now and they didnt find anything. Can you screenshot or photo that notification u're getting?
It happened again when I typed this post.
That's what I get. I have no idea what it is, coz I always cancel it.
I do use piratebay on that browser and only that browser, so that may be it. You only get full HD Netflix streaming on Safari. I only use this website at Safari coz I keep it seperate from the rest of the normal shit I do on internet. This is the browser where I use my burner accounts, although I just use my normal email for this site.
