Killer7 SINdicate

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inspired by some (probably drunk) musings of xed51

silver eyes are kinda like a bunch of portable memory storages - think of usb drives, external hard drives, things of that kind
in tsc & 25w, it seems to me that characters are fond of freely removing their eyes just the way i handle my usb drives (see - tokio morishima)
idk whatever the fuck sundance shot is but it seems to me that his computer/body has a fuckton of viruses so he isn't willing to stick anything in his usb port (eyepatch)
for this point i'm probably grasping at straws but just like your regular usb storage unless you "format" them and hand it over to someone else they'll certainly get to access the files of its previous owner, which is probably why morishima freaks the fuck out post tsc and goes anorexic, his grandfather must've been a sick fuck

my memory of these events are rather hazy though take them as you may

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That's my secret Cake, I am always drunk

Anyway I will write my response/novella tomorrow, I am blacking out

[AngelheadedHipster]

Like with a lot of the Silver Case series there's really only incomplete and at points contradictory information on what the Silver Eyes are, what they do and how they're made. What we can be fairly sure of is that make the wearer incapable of dying and even aging. The games use oddly specific terminology when it comes to that. In both the end of Silver Case and the recap at the beginning of 25th Ward, Tokio describes them as "suspending the natural process of death." Flower, Sun and Rain might imply that they, in some way, distort the passage of time when more than one of them are in one place but it's very vague. We know that the silver eye that changed hands from Format Kamui, to Mayor Hachisuka to Tokio originated on Lospass Island where the natives harvested it from a hyena and transplanted it onto Kamui as what was probably some sort of religious ceremony. We also know that the people behind the Shelter Kids program were allegedly never able to replicate that ceremony and induce ocular silverization in the children they experimented on. Which raises a few questions, considering the Kamui from the Decoyman and Lifecut chapters (According to the Case 4.5 short story, for however canon that is, a person seperate from Format Kamui named Kamui Fujiwara) is depicted with two silver eyes in all of his illustrations. The only explanation for that I could come up with is that the silver eyes appear on whoever is the currently active incarnation of Kamui, but disappear once it takes on another vessel. But that's pure conjecture.

I think the only character we ever see naturally develop silver eyes under specific conditions is Osato from 25th Wards Matchmaker storyline. And this is where I'm not sure if I'm remembering things correctly, I haven't finished that game in a while and I'm currently replaying it. We don't know whether Osato has been subjected to ocular surgery at any point before the start of the game, but what we do know is that he has high "criminal energy". Which opens up a whole other can of worms, because to some extent the idea of criminal potential being an actual, measurable value in a person is obviously meant to be bullshit in universe. We also know that he is the son of Sundance, which presumably refers to Sundance Shot, the rogue leader of the FSO. Sundance Shot and by extension Osato are descended from the Sundance tribe, the natives of Lospass Island, and presumably, so was Format Kamui. That would suggest that only Sundance people have the genetic potential to naturally develop silver eyes.

I'm not sure whether (natural) silver eyes are actually a storage device. We know that the artificial one that Tokio got after he had the real one removed appears to record and store data. But I'm fairly sure Tokio's ability to communicate with spirits had expressed itself before he stole the mayors eyes and he still had it after it was replaced with an artificial one. It's extremely vague what exactly they do, aside from halting someones mortality.

I dunno, let's wait for xed51's response, pretty sure he knows his shit better than I do.

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I always found the silver eye idea of person who have it, isn't capable of dying on it's own, but being able to be killed by the other guy, hilarious. Kinda loses it's value.

Also, about these eyes being a jump cards, what about Peter jack-in into an eye in the beginning of F.S.R? Kusabi isn't an eye holder, is that part even related? You mean Sundance wearing antivirus as an eye-patch? And since eyes connected to the brain of a human, what do you make of a portable eye?

[Jack]

I dunno, let's wait for xed51's response, pretty sure he knows his shit better than I do.

KEKK!
"Come muh brudders, let us thou wait for Father Clergyman of Cathedral@tm to bestow upon us a seer's eye that neither you or I have been graciously blessed with, such gifts to walk upon the path of the virtuous.
It is as thou bequeath for, I Am that I am.
Holy Justice Reigns... In the Name of Harman."

I wish that Xed had gotten recorded evidence for when Suda confirmed to him that the Yayoi's are all the same person. The most interesting character I've seen from video games by far, because she's basically a sociopathic mad woman but nobody within the game's universe is aware of what she's done coz everybody else from Moonlight Syndrome is dead. The few who survived, got killed by Tetsuguro in SC, and then the detective who was working on the Moon murders case was also killed by him.

What a convenient cover up, and it happened through mere serendipity. Which makes it all the more hilarious, but plausible at the same time.

We know that the silver eye that changed hands from Format Kamui, to Mayor Hachisuka to Tokio originated on Lospass Island where the natives harvested it from a hyena and transplanted it onto Kamui as what was probably some sort of religious ceremony.

That shit will just never stop being funny to me. What the hell makes that Hyena so special?
This whole Lospass island crap is really just a metaphor for Irish Druids who were eventually cracked down & exterminated by our world government (AKA The Christian Church during that era.), much similar to how One Piece's Ohara was a metaphor for the same exact group of people although the connection is made much more explicit in One Piece.
I initially thought that the Lospass tribes referred to any indigenous group like say the Ryukyu but it really doesn't make sense if you generically apply the Lospass plight to all indigenous peoples. It seems to refer more to a specific indigenous group who had access to knowledge or tech that world leaders seek.

I always found the silver eye idea of person who have it, isn't capable of dying on it's own, but being able to be killed by the other guy, hilarious. Kinda loses it's value.

Xed said that the original SC game's interpretation of the Silver Eyes was an Urban Myth. They believed in fantasy, which probably didn't dwell with reality. It makes sense. Look at the word "God". Damn near nobody is speaking about the same person, place or thing when uttering the word god.
American Christians devoutly believe that God is a Human Alien Sky daddy. Buddhists believe that god is a huge energy wave of consciousness which surrounds us. Other people just use the word "God" to push forth their agenda where you can easily replace the word "God" with "I".
"I commanded it, so it is so."
If you were to speak like that, people would tell you to eat a dick. If you instead said
"God commanded it, so it is so."
Half of the populace would sit down, shut up, and then wait for further instruction to best show their compliance like the good ol' little obedient puppy dogs that they are.

Silver Eye is a science that hasn't been understood yet. Or I assume so.
I wouldn't know, coz I ain't never played 25 Ward despite all of the many chances for I to do so. I just can't understand why I actually see the Switch version in stores but I can't find a damn Switch physical version of Danganronpa Decadence. (I can't even find a NTSC Amurikkan copy on Amazon!) I was always under the impression that Danganronpa was more popular than both Silver Case & Ace Attorney. Ace Attorney just happens to have a bigger publisher.

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KEKK!
"Come muh brudders, let us thou wait for Father Clergyman of Cathedral@tm to bestow upon us a seer's eye that neither you or I have been graciously bestowed with such gifts to walk upon the path of the virtuous.
It is as thou bequeaths for, I Am that I am.
Holy Justice Reigns... In the Name of Harman."

https://voca.ro/15zZWMWjepw7
I but channel the will of the gods of old, by flatlining my rationality through the use of alcohol. Or as I like to call it THE GIFT.

I wish that Xed had gotten recorded evidence for when Suda confirmed to him that the Yayoi's are all the same person. The most interesting character I've seen from video games by far, because she's basically a sociopathic mad woman but nobody within the game's universe is aware of what she's done coz everybody else from Moonlight Syndrome is dead. The few who survived, got killed by Tetsuguro in SC, and then the detective who was working on the Moon murders case was also killed by him.

That is a regret I have, that I didn't really come prepared because I was told that Suda would be in that place the same day I showed up. If I had time to prepare, I would have brought a slave to film the interaction, but oh well.
Someone recorded the panel portion but they did not record any of the audience questions.

Thankfully I managed to get some autographs and a picture with Suda so I don't have to deal with retards denying I was even there lol.


I framed the question as Yayoi from Moonlight Syndrome and FSR being my favourite character, and wondering wether or not she would show up again. (I was being cheeky because I was in a room full of people, and just asking for confirmation would sound too nerdy LOL!)
His response (through the translator) was that Suda was impressed with my knowledge of his old games, and that since I liked her so much he would think about bringing her back.

Now it is surely random happenstance that Yayoi actually did show up in Kurayami Dance.

I'm not saying he did that because I asked, but yeah, he did that because I asked.

To be fair though, Yayoi Hanayama and Yayoi Itsushima being the same person is not really contested at all. Hell it was even brought up in the GPara interview, subtly sure, but Yayoi is definetly listed among the "familiar characters" crossing over from MS to FSR.
https://dijehtranslations.wordpress.com ... -and-rain/

Q23
Yayoi, Sumio and Baian Sayaka who committed suicide…These are important names for people who played your older games. How connected are the worlds of Silver and Moonlight in your opinion?

A23
Everything is in the same world. Everything is connected.
Except Fire Pro Wrestling.
These three games are connected though.

What's usually contested, is that Sumio from Moonlight Syndrome might have been one of the many manufactured Sumios from Lospass Island. Which I guess is possible. As I was discussing in the fan translations thread, 25W shows you multiple shiroyabus living wildly different lives. I don't see why those Sumios couldn't have lived substantially different lives as well.
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I personally think they just so happened to share a name though.

That shit will just never stop being funny to me. What the hell makes that Hyena so special?

I mentioned somewhere on the old forum (though I'm not gonna look that up now, I'll eventually reiterate it into an actual article) that I don't believe the lospass hyena story to be 100% truthful. Other crazy shit like talking alligators is in the game and noone takes that at face value as a real thing that actually inhabits Lospass Island, yet for some reason everyone takes the hyenas at face value despite how absurd it would be for Tokio to literally phisically fly out of lospass with an actual hyena tucked under his jacket or something lol.
I think "Hyena" was just a codeword for some kind of ancient Sundance supertechnology. That's just my opinion though, I'm not saying this as a statement of fact.

In Killer7, the word "Hyena" is the codename for the assassins from the International Ethics Committee.

Shirt - Power Lunch
Action - Sitting calmly on a cushion

"The owner, Fukushima, is mixed up in all sorts of things. Even the
International Ethics Committee is getting involved. Chief, you watch yourself.
The Ethics agents, or Hyenas, are a motley crew of rejects. But the assassins
trained in the Core? Now, those guys are for real. They're after the Yakumo
Party Cabinet Policy. Or the Yakumo for short. It's just a bunch of paper but
it can change the world. UN Party, my friend."

Xed said that the original SC game's interpretation of the Silver Eyes was an Urban Myth. They believed in fantasy, which probably didn't dwell with reality. It makes sense. Look at the word "God". Damn near nobody is speaking about the same person, place or thing when uttering the word god.

Yeah that's essentially my take, my understanding is that Silver Eyes are just ancient science that has been reappropriated by modern day elites as a product that you sell.
Granted it does have a spiritual element in that it opens your eyes to the world beyond, but that's not too dissimilar to how technology is depicted as being able to summon Demons from the netherworld in Shin Megami Tensei. Which in turn is not too different from technology in our day to day real world lol (the internet is full of dead people, to the point where they probably outnumber living users).

Even then, the world beyond exists regardless of the silver eye. Tokio is able to commune with remnant psyches / spirits before ever getting a silver eye just for going through Kamui Maspro education. If we go back even further (though it's debatable wether or not that's relevant obviously) Mika & Yukari from Twilight Syndrome are aòsp able to interact with them as well despite being normal civillians, though that might have been the influence of Chisato Itsushima (who just so happens to be a zoroastrian angel LOL!) Ryo doesen't count because there's several hints that he might have been part of the Kamui Maspro himself.

These games tell you a bunch of contradicting shit and I've seen this interpreted as a mistake in the writing, but I think that's because people are used to Metal Gear Solid style writing where every character is a talking head who is somehow aware of every single piece of information in the world, and whenever they are lying they make a point of outright telling you lol.
In the real world everyone gets shit wrong, misunderstands things or outright lies all the time. That's why the idea of silver eyes making you immortal is so confusing.

The only example we actually have from TSC is Tetsugoro telling the story of how Uminosuke Hachisuka ended up with the silver eyes and "became young again" but that's just his perspective. From what we know from later games, it's more likely that Uminosuke sort of body-jacked his son Kaoru, rather than his body becoming young again and somehow similar enough to his son that he could realistically pose as him in the public eye. (Kamui Fujiwara also seems to have awakened his silver eyes but he never speaks through the game, so we never get his perspective.)

In the new TSC chapter and in FSR we get more details from Tokio and already he explains it as "the program for death being put on hold" (I'm paraphrasing) which is different from eternal youth. Sundance Ritz definetly appears to be immortal, but she's an old lady, forever trapped in an old crippled body. FSR seems to make fun of the idea of eternal youth actually, with the whole myth about the magic rain making people young again which of course never happens, and Ritz is forced to keep spinning her wheels eternally (as in her wheelchair lol).

In 25W, the doctors who implant Tokio with a new silver eye straight up said that the whole deal about immortality is just a myth, and silver eyes are just massive data repositories. I don't think that's fully correct either though. I think it is technically possible to achieve immortality through a Silver Eye, by doing what Sundance Shot & Kousuke Kurumizawa did. That is to say that both characters (or at least I think so, but the FSR fanbook confirms my theory that Shot has no physical form.) exist as information within the network, much like the ancestral Kamui himself. Which is why I find it more likely that Uminosuke transposed his spirit into the body of his son, rather than just randomly achieving eternal youth. That's essentially what Sundance is doing in FSR, where he takes over one of the Sumio stock.

As a sidenote, I think that's essentially what the main conflict of FSR revolves around. Shot says that in a way he himself is the bomb. I think the plane keeps blowing up because Shot is not allowed to leave the island through a Sumio stock, and Toriko & Shot's wager is all about wether or not Sumio (Kodai) himself can serve as the island "saviour" by carrying the memory of Lospass in the outside world. If Kodai had failed, Shot probably would have repeated the cycle of trying to leave the island inside a Sumio stock, only for the plane to blow up, because knowledge of Lospass island is not allowed to exist in the outside world. (Which I think is what the game is getting at after the credits when we are told that Lospass island vanished / was hidden. I don't think it matters if the island itself was fully blown up or not. The point is that it has been excised from history in a similar way to what the Heinous Crime Unit does to criminals.)

Even the nature of Kamui is debated, with TSC describing him as just a random hitman employed by the FSO that TRO/CCO and ELBOW decided to use as the template to build the next generation of children.

In FSR & 25W Kamui seems to be an ancestral entity that actually predates the Kamui Maspro MKUltra mind control project, some sort of personification of the human capability for violence. Which would reframe the Kamui & Ayame Maspros as ELBOW trying to control and weaponize a pre-existing entity, rather than creating the project from scratch. Which is what the placebo prologue of 25W tells you, with Morishima explaining the Kamui system.
Kurumizawa himself acts as a Kamui cultist who has ascended humanity by becoming a digital man (he hides in the game's HUD LOL! It's even hinted at that Kurumizawa himself is actually the character you play as.) and claims to commune with him. He acts as a foil to all the systems of control in the 25W by gaslighting everyone, and his objective seem to be to just kill everything lol.
Not in the sense of committing genocide, "Kill the life" actually refers to the "lifestyle", "everyday life" of the 25th ward which is engineered from the top down to control people.
In his TSA cameo, he claims to want to destroy the concept of "justice" in and of itself. In RGB he claims to want to kill the life, but only as the first step in killing the past.

idk whatever the fuck sundance shot is but it seems to me that his computer/body has a fuckton of viruses so he isn't willing to stick anything in his usb port (eyepatch)

That is a very interesting interpretation and I would honestly take it as correct, if it weren't for the fact that the Fanbook as it was translated by GR seems to hint at the fact that the eyepatch is just hiding his silver eye.
https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/201 ... l-fanbook/

In short, it is due to Tokio, who obtained a silver eye by chance, arriving on the island that absurd
events happen one after another through the power of God. But who is the other person that
possesses a silver eye? There certainly was a man with an eyepatch...

Granted that's not the fucking bible because Sundance Ritz also has a silver eye, which would bring the number to three. That same document seems to confirm that Shot doesen't have a physical form at all. So in reality nothing is set in stone at all, which is partially why I'm glad there's some people who actually want to discuss these games now lol.
Most people just understand these older games as no more heroes prequels, and the silver eye as some sort of shounen power up that makes you super strong.
Ironically, I don't even think they're so important in the overall context of things, they're basically a macguffin that sets events into motion, but it's an interesting subject to discuss because it ties into so many other aspects.

Flower, Sun and Rain might imply that they, in some way, distort the passage of time when more than one of them are in one place but it's very vague.

That's an interesting point because Kurumizawa is shown as distorting the flow of time and he definetly has a silver eye, considering he was employed as an Observer under the Regional Adjustment Bureau (all Observers are equipped with mass produced silver eyes because their purpose is to monitor and absorb all that information, which is eventually stored in the supercomputer you see at the end.)
I personally don't think that the time distorsion in Lospass was actually created by the "power of god" as Tokio says but I elaborated on that in the fan translations thread. I think Shot's explanation that you're living through the memories of different Sumios makes more sense. What's more likely to me, is that the silver eye was the conduit through which that phoenomena could be experienced, but the presence of Tokio acted as interference in that system.

We also know that the people behind the Shelter Kids program were allegedly never able to replicate that ceremony and induce ocular silverization in the children they experimented on. Which raises a few questions, considering the Kamui from the Decoyman and Lifecut chapters (According to the Case 4.5 short story, for however canon that is, a person seperate from Format Kamui named Kamui Fujiwara) is depicted with two silver eyes in all of his illustrations.

The novel just gives Fujiwara a name, but he was always a different person than the original Uehara Kamui. For once, the obvious fact that Uehara Kamui died, LOL!
But also, the Kamui in Decoyman (the chapter title itself tells you what he is, a decoy) is said to have been institutionalized for 20 years, but also, that he was in the same university as Ayame Shimohira, a woman who could not possibly be older than 30.

So it's obvious that that story is bullshit, which is what should clue you in to the fact that Kamui is being manufactured and is not just one person.

Essentially, what we know is that silver eyes were discovered among the Sundance people at some point. ELBOW's purpose is to reverse engineer Sundance technology / spirituality in order to mass produce the silver eye. (Which is why ELBOW is "disbanded" after the events of FSR, because they achieved mass production to a level where they had no need for Lospass Island anymore. Which is also why I believe ELBOW was just the arm of a larger, unseen organization.) For that purpose they instigate a war between the FSO (essentially Sundance Shot's trojan horse in Japanese politics) and the TRO/CCO alliance (which in and of itself was a trojan horse for the Hachisuka clan power play). This is what Nakategawa is referring to when he claims that there are no factions, there is only ELBOW.

The end result of this conflict is the Sundance genocide, & the silver case where Format Kamui (an unnamed aboriginal Sundance) attempted to kill the high command of the TRO/CCO alliance.
It is unknown which event happened first, and which was retaliation, but it resulted in Format Kamui getting killed alongside most of the TRO/CCO high command, and Hachisuka obtaining silver eyes.

Through the events of TSC, we see the result of the first experiment of silver eye mass production, where the inert eyes (which are harvested from hyenas) are implanted into mental clones of Format Kamui (a Sundance) which are mindbroken children from the Shelter Children Policy. the TRO/CCO is responsible for the Kamui Maspro, while the FSO financed the Ayame Maspro project in retaliation. (Again, both sides were pitted against each other by ELBOW in order to speed up progress through competition.)
The unintended result was to create a population of unstable people who could randomly awake as killers and channel some ancestral will of violence also called Kamui.
(I will remind you that "Kamui Uehara" is just a name that TRO/CCO people came up with. That was not the man's actual name, which is why Sundance Shot does not recognize the name at all in FSR. Lospass natives probably did not speak japanese lol.)
Kamuis and Ayames are also naturally attracted to one another to the point where they keep reproducing amongst themselves. Which is probably why Shiroyabu is called "Kamui and Ayame's child" in 25W. I don't think it's meant to be taken literally, just that a new type of mindscape has been created within the system by creating a mate for Kamui.

While the project was considered a failure because none of the children achieved eye silverization after being implanted with inert hyena eyes, it's not impossible that some of them would eventually awake (or "go woke" lol) activating their silver eyes. Which is probably what happened to Kamui Fujiwara, and why it was so important to take him down, despite him being little more than a vegetable.

In FSR, the silver eye manufacturing is completed in the Euro Maspro by straight up manufacturing people from scratch in an effort to replicate Sundance society. (Shot tells you at the end that all Sundances shared the same genetic make-up, again I am going by memory but it's more or less what he says.)
The terrorist Sundance Shot exists as a glitch in the matrix where he essentially exploited the Euro Maspro to keep existing & delaying the "erasure" of Lospass Island but he is unable to escape. Which is probably why Sumio Kodai (who seemingly was the template for the various Sumios you see) had to be brought to Lospass, to be able to carry it within himself to the outside world. ("Flower, Sun and Rain is you!")
ELBOW disbands at the end of FSR because their goal of achieving the mass production silver eyes is complete.

In 25W, silver eyes are just a tool that is freely used to assert control. Namely within the Regional Adjustment Bureau sovrastructure, with Observers being equipped with silver eyes to act as human tapes that monitor & regulate the societal structure enforced by Divers and postmen. The unintended effect this time being Kousuke Kurumizawa using the silver eye to ascend to a higher plane of life as a digital man, where he comes in contact with the ancestral Kamui and acts as a cultist aiming to destroy the structure of society itself. Most of the events in the 25th ward happen specifically because of Kurumizawa & Kosaka, who is described as a Frontier (FSO) loyalist.

The reason why many of the main characters specifically try to avoid the awakening of Kamui, is probably because the havoc he would wreck by completely destroying the structure of society might be just as bad as the surveillance/control stated instated by the "powers that be" (which we don't know anything about at all. Stephan Charbonie is the designer of the 25th ward but in FSR, he is described as being a lower employee than Edo Macallister lol. Edo was probably the highest ranking official we've ever seen, and he was just a middle manager.)
It's not dissimilar to how the main characters of MGS unwittingly end up perpetrating the status quo, because the big boss world order would just lead to perpetual war & general butchery.

I think the only character we ever see naturally develop silver eyes under specific conditions is Osato from 25th Wards Matchmaker storyline. And this is where I'm not sure if I'm remembering things correctly, I haven't finished that game in a while and I'm currently replaying it. We don't know whether Osato has been subjected to ocular surgery at any point before the start of the game, but what we do know is that he has high "criminal energy". Which opens up a whole other can of worms, because to some extent the idea of criminal potential being an actual, measurable value in a person is obviously meant to be bullshit in universe. We also know that he is the son of Sundance, which presumably refers to Sundance Shot, the rogue leader of the FSO. Sundance Shot and by extension Osato are descended from the Sundance tribe, the natives of Lospass Island, and presumably, so was Format Kamui. That would suggest that only Sundance people have the genetic potential to naturally develop silver eyes.

You're right, we don't know for sure if he ever underwent the surgery, but I just assumed that he did because he is described as an illegitimate Sundance. Aboriginal Sundances undergo eye surgery at age 2, so I just assumed that he did as well. But yes ethnic Sundances were originally the only ones who could "develop" silver eyes (although it still involved a surgical transplant when they were children) which is why the recreation of silver eye technology had to go through several steps before achieving what we see in 25W.

I'm actually not sure wether he's Sundance Shot's illegitimate son, or just the Sundance people in general. The english translation is quite unclear on the subject. @GoldenRakshasa might actually help us out here because the japanese wording might be clearer.
I'm pretty sure that conversation happens somewhere during this chapter, though I am not positive.


I think what "criminal power" refers to is someone's ability to kill & generally violate the order of society, which in turn informs their potential of channelling Kamui (whom is established as some sort of ancient spirit of chaos and "terrorism").

I'm not sure whether (natural) silver eyes are actually a storage device. We know that the artificial one that Tokio got after he had the real one removed appears to record and store data.

I don't think such a thing as a "natural" silver eye ever existed. What changes is wether they remain inert or not, but all eligible partecipants of the Kamui & Ayame maspro did undergo the surgery. It seems that once a silver eye is "activated" it can be freely be taken in or out and it can attatch itself to the body by itself by simply being plugged in.
The Sundances came under attack specifically because they knew how to harvest them, but it still involved some degree of science. Even if you believe the Hyena story to be 100% correct (I personally believe it to be a myth, that is just manifested literally in FSR due to the nature of Lospass Island as a memory), eye transplant surgery is not exactly achieved with sticks, stones, sand and copies of the quran LOL! It implies that in ancient times, the Sundances already had access to a higher level of technology than common humans, at least to the level where eye transplant surgeries existed for long enough to become part of their spiritual tradition. (You also see a giant fucking robot in FSR, and what is likely to be a space alien, though that one is played more as a joke than anything else.)

I always found the silver eye idea of person who have it, isn't capable of dying on it's own, but being able to be killed by the other guy, hilarious. Kinda loses it's value.

It's especially fucking funny when you realize that the legendary killer Kamui Uehara didn't actually manage to kill anyone, despite his targets being old men in their 70s LOL! Immortality didn't really do him any good.

Also, about these eyes being a jump cards, what about Peter jack-in into an eye in the beginning of F.S.R? Kusabi isn't an eye holder, is that part even related?

I thought about this a lot. Personally I think in that context, Sumio was just jacking-in to Tetsugoro's muppet suit lol.
Though it is possible that Tetsugoro also acquired a silver eye at some point within games, as I said by the time 25w rolls around they're not exactly scarce, it's just not generally available to the public, but Tetsugoro might have some connections we don't know about. He did manage to avoid prison despite murdering a bunch of policemen, and I sincerely doubt he was just acquitted in court LOL!

[AngelheadedHipster]

That shit will just never stop being funny to me. What the hell makes that Hyena so special?

I mentioned somewhere on the old forum (though I'm not gonna look that up now, I'll eventually reiterate it into an actual article) that I don't believe the lospass hyena story to be 100% truthful. Other crazy shit like talking alligators is in the game and noone takes that at face value as a real thing that actually inhabits Lospass Island, yet for some reason everyone takes the hyenas at face value despite how absurd it would be for Tokio to literally phisically fly out of lospass with an actual hyena tucked under his jacket or something lol.
I think "Hyena" was just a codeword for some kind of ancient Sundance supertechnology. That's just my opinion though, I'm not saying this as a statement of fact.

I get where it's coming from, but I'm still relatively convinced that the Hyenas are meant to be literal. Both the research notes at the Shelters in Lifecut and Tokio's recap of Silver Case at the beginning of 25th Ward based on Morikawa's investigations refer to Format Kamui's left eye as being that of "non-simian lifeform" and a "quadrupedal animal" respectively, which for me suggests that when they're talking about hyenas, they probably do mean actual hyenas. It's probably overall not that significant, because obviously there's more to the procedure of creating a silver eye than just the transplant on its own. It definitely is more about the forgotten knowledge of the Sundance people overall, but the hyena eyes probably at least factored into the procedure.

The only example we actually have from TSC is Tetsugoro telling the story of how Uminosuke Hachisuka ended up with the silver eyes and "became young again" but that's just his perspective. From what we know from later games, it's more likely that Uminosuke sort of body-jacked his son Kaoru, rather than his body becoming young again and somehow similar enough to his son that he could realistically pose as him in the public eye. (Kamui Fujiwara also seems to have awakened his silver eyes but he never speaks through the game, so we never get his perspective.)

In the new TSC chapter and in FSR we get more details from Tokio and already he explains it as "the program for death being put on hold" (I'm paraphrasing) which is different from eternal youth. Sundance Ritz definetly appears to be immortal, but she's an old lady, forever trapped in an old crippled body. FSR seems to make fun of the idea of eternal youth actually, with the whole myth about the magic rain making people young again which of course never happens, and Ritz is forced to keep spinning her wheels eternally (as in her wheelchair lol).

In 25W, the doctors who implant Tokio with a new silver eye straight up said that the whole deal about immortality is just a myth, and silver eyes are just massive data repositories. I don't think that's fully correct either though. I think it is technically possible to achieve immortality through a Silver Eye, by doing what Sundance Shot & Kousuke Kurumizawa did. That is to say that both characters (or at least I think so, but the FSR fanbook confirms my theory that Shot has no physical form.) exist as information within the network, much like the ancestral Kamui himself. Which is why I find it more likely that Uminosuke transposed his spirit into the body of his son, rather than just randomly achieving eternal youth. That's essentially what Sundance is doing in FSR, where he takes over one of the Sumio stock.

That's an interesting thought. Considering Tetsugoro is the only eye witness of the Silver Incident whose recollection we get, I was always tempted to take him by his word as to what happened there. It's true that we never see the Silver Eyes stopping or reversing the aging process firsthand. All the characters we actually see transcending their mortality have done so by abandoning their original physical body. I guess I could bring up Killer7 where Greg Nightmare is depicted with Silver Eyes and still alive, in some sense, even after hanging himself and having his lower body blown off in his bossfight and the No More Heroes series where its incarnation of Kamui appears as an adult in Travis Strikes Again and as a child with a silver eye in No More Heroes 3, but considering those definitely don't share the same continuity with the Silver Case series, that's probably not saying much.

Even the nature of Kamui is debated, with TSC describing him as just a random hitman employed by the FSO that TRO/CCO and ELBOW decided to use as the template to build the next generation of children.

There's some ambiguity there, considering that according to Tesugoro and Tokio's summary, the man we know as Format Kamui was not actually an assassin but a regular citizen of the 24th Ward. If I went wild theorizing I'd assume that the FSO never actually sent him to kill the CCO/TRO leadership, but to introduce and spread the primordial "Kamui" entity around. Which is effectively what happened with the Kamui and Ayame Maspro's all acting as potential vessels for it. Maybe that was the plan in the first place.

idk whatever the fuck sundance shot is but it seems to me that his computer/body has a fuckton of viruses so he isn't willing to stick anything in his usb port (eyepatch)

That is a very interesting interpretation and I would honestly take it as correct, if it weren't for the fact that the Fanbook as it was translated by GR seems to hint at the fact that the eyepatch is just hiding his silver eye.
https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/201 ... l-fanbook/

In short, it is due to Tokio, who obtained a silver eye by chance, arriving on the island that absurd
events happen one after another through the power of God. But who is the other person that
possesses a silver eye? There certainly was a man with an eyepatch...

Granted that's not the fucking bible because Sundance Ritz also has a silver eye, which would bring the number to three. That same document seems to confirm that Shot doesen't have a physical form at all. So in reality nothing is set in stone at all, which is partially why I'm glad there's some people who actually want to discuss these games now lol.
Most people just understand these older games as no more heroes prequels, and the silver eye as some sort of shounen power up that makes you super strong.
Ironically, I don't even think they're so important in the overall context of things, they're basically a macguffin that sets events into motion, but it's an interesting subject to discuss because it ties into so many other aspects.

Ritz does not actually have a silver eye.



The Silver Eyes we definitely see in FSR are that of Tokio, one on Tetsugoro's Peter Bockwinker disguise and one on the exploding clone of Step Sding. According to Suda's interview with Famitsu there's yet another one inside Catherine. Sundance Shot it obviously ambiguous, and I do wonder if the eyepatch might be a red herring. There is actually something odd about him in FSR, the model of his that appears in the games intro looks slightly different from the one we see in later chapters. The color and length of his hair is different.




Could be an oversight. Could be significant and point to them actually being two different bodies. I could have sworn that I recently read an interview in which Suda stated that Shot did not have a silver eye at the time of FSR, but I can't find it right now.

You're right, we don't know for sure if he ever underwent the surgery, but I just assumed that he did because he is described as an illegitimate Sundance. Aboriginal Sundances undergo eye surgery at age 2, so I just assumed that he did as well. But yes ethnic Sundances were originally the only ones who could "develop" silver eyes (although it still involved a surgical transplant when they were children) which is why the recreation of silver eye technology had to go through several steps before achieving what we see in 25W.

I'm actually not sure wether he's Sundance Shot's illegitimate son, or just the Sundance people in general. The english translation is quite unclear on the subject. @GoldenRakshasa might actually help us out here because the japanese wording might be clearer.
I'm pretty sure that conversation happens somewhere during this chapter, though I am not positive.

Yes, it was brought up in the last chapter of Matchmaker, without any further elaboration. For some reason, the name "Sundance" on its own is used quite frequently for Sundance Shot, specifically. Among other things, the character diagram in the Silver Case manual and his obligatory cameo in Travis Strikes Again only refer to him as Sundance. Which is why I had assumed that the same was the case in 25th Ward when Osato was stated to be the son of Sundance.

It's especially fucking funny when you realize that the legendary killer Kamui Uehara didn't actually manage to kill anyone, despite his targets being old men in their 70s LOL! Immortality didn't really do him any good.

I guess whether Format Kamui actually was an assassin at all, depends on whether he actually commited the murders attributed to him before the Silver Incident in 1979.

http://kamuinet.com/ENG/html/history.html

Considering that in universe, the only source on that is a Kamui fansite, there's obviously a good chance that it's bullshit.

Though it is possible that Tetsugoro also acquired a silver eye at some point within games, as I said by the time 25w rolls around they're not exactly scarce, it's just not generally available to the public, but Tetsugoro might have some connections we don't know about. He did manage to avoid prison despite murdering a bunch of policemen, and I sincerely doubt he was just acquitted in court LOL!

I always assumed Tetsu was on the run, following the events of Silver Case. Which is the reason why he had to assume a false identity on Lospass Island at all. And the implication that he eventually fled abroad. In Travis Strikes Again, Travis briefly meets him in New York. Which, again, probably not canon, but there's probably a reason Suda put him there, rather than having him appear in the chapter set in Japan.

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I get where it's coming from, but I'm still relatively convinced that the Hyenas are meant to be literal. Both the research notes at the Shelters in Lifecut and Tokio's recap of Silver Case at the beginning of 25th Ward based on Morikawa's investigations refer to Format Kamui's left eye as being that of "non-simian lifeform" and a "quadrupedal animal" respectively, which for me suggests that when they're talking about hyenas, they probably do mean actual hyenas. It's probably overall not that significant, because obviously there's more to the procedure of creating a silver eye than just the transplant on its own. It definitely is more about the forgotten knowledge of the Sundance people overall, but the hyena eyes probably at least factored into the procedure.

When TSC was the only game out, Suda hinted at the idea that the silver eyes came from the zoroastrian angels of Moonlight Syndrome, or space aliens, LOL!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050226133 ... verqa.html
Anyway I'm just positing an idea, I'm not some sort of voice of truth.

I guess I could bring up Killer7 where Greg Nightmare is depicted with Silver Eyes and still alive

Is he really? I never noticed. Silver eyes are never brought up in the plot of Killer7, though I did theorize a whole while back that it was originally meant to be a sequel to FSR.
https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/202 ... -and-rain/
But I wouldn't take that as an assumption that all concepts from one game carried over to the other one. Especially since from all we know, people with silver eyes can be killed like anyone else (namely format kamui & uminosuke hachisuka) while Greg Nightmare keeps laughing even after you shoot his balls and half of his body off lol.

There's some ambiguity there, considering that according to Tesugoro and Tokio's summary, the man we know as Format Kamui was not actually an assassin but a regular citizen of the 24th Ward.

That's true, I had forgotten about that line where Format Kamui is described as a civillian. It is a fact that he attacked the high command of the TRO/CCO coalition on the tv tower though. Which means that while he was not a professional killer, he still had motive. Considering he was likely a Sundance, I would still consider it part of the conflict between the Hachisuka clan and the Sundance clan.

If I went wild theorizing I'd assume that the FSO never actually sent him to kill the CCO/TRO leadership, but to introduce and spread the primordial "Kamui" entity around. Which is effectively what happened with the Kamui and Ayame Maspro's all acting as potential vessels for it. Maybe that was the plan in the first place.

That's an interesting idea, how Kamui was introduced into common knowledge & society specifically as a mind virus. It's not dissimilar to how Skullface only introduced Metal Gear as bait to induce a new arms race lol.

Ritz does not actually have a silver eye.

Of course she does, she's a native Sundance and the game implies several times that she's been alive since the time of legend (before the genocide). All natives undergo eye transplant surgery at age two. You just don't see it, but then again we also see Kurumizawa having two black eyes in 25W and we know for a fact he's equipped with one because that's part of his job description as a RAB observer.

You bring up a good point that Catherine is also confirmed to have a silver eye inside of it, and that the mass produced Steps all seem to be equipped with one (although their eyes might just be glowing as some sort of warning for the explosion), which means that Tokio's story that "two silver eyes" happened to exist in the same place sounds even more bogus. I find Shot's explanation, that time appeared to be distorted because Sumio was living through the memories of sixteen different other Sumios, to be more sensible.

Could be an oversight. Could be significant and point to them actually being two different bodies.

That might just have to do with the fact that the models were changed since the beta but I won't discount it completely. The other models in the intro seem to be consistent with what you see in-game, and Shot was depicted as having long hair even back to the TSC intro.



The "welcome to hotel FSR" video also lists the wrong room number for Sumio Mondo. I just assumed it was a mistake because attract videos are usually handled by different staff. The intro for NMH3 basically details a completely different plot than what ended up playing out on screen lol.

I could have sworn that I recently read an interview in which Suda stated that Shot did not have a silver eye at the time of FSR, but I can't find it right now.

That'd be an interesting thing to find

Yes, it was brought up in the last chapter of Matchmaker, without any further elaboration. For some reason, the name "Sundance" on its own is used quite frequently for Sundance Shot, specifically. Among other things, the character diagram in the Silver Case manual and his obligatory cameo in Travis Strikes Again only refer to him as Sundance. Which is why I had assumed that the same was the case in 25th Ward when Osato was stated to be the son of Sundance.

I assumed the same, I'm just saying as it is both meanings are possible. I was talking with GR in the fan translation thread and via PM and some stuff that was ambiguous in FSR was actually the result of mistranslation. I already brought up in the past how the remnant psyche speeches in Killer7 are a lot more understandable in their original text-to-speech script (as poorly worded as it is in engrish lol) so I can't really take it for granted that we're correct.

I always assumed Tetsu was on the run, following the events of Silver Case. Which is the reason why he had to assume a false identity on Lospass Island at all. And the implication that he eventually fled abroad.

Nah in whiteout he straight up interacts with policemen and there's no indication that they're after him. Also in 25w (though I can't remember in which chapter), you are told that he is "following a case" in the USA which implies he's still part of the police force in some way.

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When TSC was the only game out, Suda hinted at the idea that the silver eyes came from the zoroastrian angels of Moonlight Syndrome, or space aliens, LOL!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050226133 ... verqa.html
Anyway I'm just positing an idea, I'm not some sort of voice of truth.

Nah, I didn't take you for it. Aliens, either from outer space or other dimensions have been brought up a few times in the Silver Case series. In Silver Case, the old man from Miikumo village mentions rumours that the factory was manufacturing weapons to defend against aliens and Oldman and Neutral from Kamuidrome talk about entities from a "Dimension of 3, 5 and 7". I suppose there's also the gossip magazine that Tsuki reads in 25th Ward. But none of that was ever followed up on. I imagine the one game that could have explored it was NMH3, and it didn't. I don't know much about Moonlight Syndrome, to be honest. I know there are no official translations, and I don't think any complete unofficial ones. Where can I actually get a relatively comprehensive synopsis?

Is he really? I never noticed. Silver eyes are never brought up in the plot of Killer7, though I did theorize a whole while back that it was originally meant to be a sequel to FSR.
https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/202 ... -and-rain/
But I wouldn't take that as an assumption that all concepts from one game carried over to the other one. Especially since from all we know, people with silver eyes can be killed like anyone else (namely format kamui & uminosuke hachisuka) while Greg Nightmare keeps laughing even after you shoot his balls and half of his body off lol.

Indeed he is. Though, to be honest, they look practically white. Either way, it sticks out quite a bit.



Someone who played Killer7 with no prior knowledge of the Silver Case games, as most people did when it came out, would probably gloss over it and assume Greg was reanimated in much the same way as the two politicians from Sunset. And I'm not even sure if it would have been very noticeable at all in the original resolution, but it definitely sticks out, playing it in HD.

Both Format Kamui and Mayor Hachisuka had their silver eyes taken from them, so it's debatable whether they might have survived, had the eye been left alone. There's not really much evidence one way or the other and it's not that it's a hill I'm willing to die on that they literally make the wearer incapable of dying and aging. I just wouldn't dismiss the possibility. Even looking at the way Kamui Fuujiwara was assassinated. A point was made to completely destroy the body. And the surface reason for it was obviously for its symbolic character of completely destroying Kamui in the public consciousness, but it's possible that it was also to make sure that his eyes would be destroyed. Greg Nightmare, too, was only really dead after the golden gun disintegrated his entire body.

That's an interesting idea, how Kamui was introduced into common knowledge & society specifically as a mind virus. It's not dissimilar to how Skullface only introduced Metal Gear as bait to induce a new arms race lol.

It would tie nicely into the themes of people being weaponized that runs through Suda's entire work. And through the entire Metal Gear series too, on that matter. Though they approach it from very different angles. If you get down to it, what all those catchy one syllable terms Kojima uses to sum up the MGS games, "Gene", "Meme", "Scene" and whatnot are about is taking the individual factors that make a man into a warrior and trying to present a counter argument to them. Kojima never really seemed to care much for the higher structures shaping people and society the way Suda does. To the point that forces like The Patriots or The Philosophers come off as placeholders, more than anything. When he made the Patriots the mission support from MGS3 and then established it's an out of control AI by the time the game is set, it was clear that his priorities are elsewhere.

That'd be an interesting thing to find

I wasn't able to, so chances are I imagined it. Or read something wrong.

Nah in whiteout he straight up interacts with policemen and there's no indication that they're after him. Also in 25w (though I can't remember in which chapter), you are told that he is "following a case" in the USA which implies he's still part of the police force in some way.

You're right, I don't remember Whiteout very well and I'm not that far in my 25th Ward replay yet. With both Tetsu and Sumio working with the 24th Ward HCU again, it would seem like the entire agency has changed quite a bit, following the events of Silver Case. I'll remember that once I get to the chapters dealing with them.

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To be fair though, Yayoi Hanayama and Yayoi Itsushima being the same person is not really contested at all. Hell it was even brought up in the GPara interview, subtly sure, but Yayoi is definetly listed among the "familiar characters" crossing over from MS to FSR.

By the way, there's something I've never heard anyone mention anywhere else. I am going to put it into my analysis eventually but I might as well mention it here in a dated post so noone can accuse me or ripping them off, after they rip me off, lol.

Yayoi's surname in FSR, Hanayama, is actually an alternate reading of the "Kazan" surname in Moonlight Syndrome.
華山 is read as "Kazan" in MS, and is the family name of Ryo and Kyoko. But the individual kanji 華 translates as "flower" (HANA) while 山 translates as "mountain" (YAMA)

ハナヤマ is Yayoi's surname in FSR. Which is the katakana spelling for "Hanayama".

I find it very interesting because it's like Yayoi is having an inside joke with herself, like a serial killer leaving hints to its identity. In the early chapters and mostly in the side stories it's implied that Yayoi was even more responsible in initiating the destruction of the Kazan family household, which eventually leads to Kyoko's death and Ryo's insanity (or awakening as Kamui as it is posited by the comic & soundtrack of the silver case and very slightly hinted at in the game itself).

Nah, I didn't take you for it. Aliens, either from outer space or other dimensions have been brought up a few times in the Silver Case series. In Silver Case, the old man from Miikumo village mentions rumours that the factory was manufacturing weapons to defend against aliens and Oldman and Neutral from Kamuidrome talk about entities from a "Dimension of 3, 5 and 7". I suppose there's also the gossip magazine that Tsuki reads in 25th Ward. But none of that was ever followed up on.

I honestly think most of those are probably rapresenting the understanding of aliens we have in the real world, rather than indicating the presence of actual space aliens. In 25th ward, for example, the Silverians are just a conspiracy theory spread by a government official to cover up deliverymen assassins in a mistery magazine lol.

However, there is a character in FSR which may very well be an alien. It's the purple haired chick who enslaves her cuck Gunji Takaoka (the fat salary man dancing in the field) in one of the final chapters. She communicates her feelings to Gunji through vibrations in the crops, which I take as a reference to the idea of aliens making crop circles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

When they actually meet in the movie theater, the "romantic" movie where the main characters hold hands is revealed as being a movie where an agent is holding hands with a little gray alien. Granted the joke might just be that her behaviour is so weird and detatched that "she might as well" be a gray space alien. Which in and of itself is a reprise of a theme that is also in Moonlight Syndrome and would later appear in Blood+ One Night Kiss, with the utter madness and psychopathy of (then) modern day teenagers.

I don't know much about Moonlight Syndrome, to be honest. I know there are no official translations, and I don't think any complete unofficial ones. Where can I actually get a relatively comprehensive synopsis?

Izzeybee translated the first five and a half chapters.
https://izzeybee.wordpress.com/
I'm currently recording the game to inject her translation as subtitles, then I'll move on to writing summaries for the remaining chapters. I don't know how to contact her because I don't have any social media, we used to be friends on facebook way back when. (Hence why you can see her recognizing me in the comments.) I wanted to contact her before doing it but she doesen't seem to be paying much attention to the blog lol.

Unfortunately it's not the best option because unlike TSC this game actually has branching dialogue options, but considering CJ Iwakura has been trying to hack a translation into the game with no success for 9 years only succeeding in scaring away potential translators lol.
But I am going to try and record the most informative dialogue branches.

There's also a tool for Retroarch that allows you to get a machine translation of whatever you're playing in real time. I used it to research Blood+ ONK a few months ago.
https://www.libretro.com/index.php/retr ... set-it-up/
Which I am going to use to write a summary for the remaining four and a half chapters. I just hope that's enough to interest some translator into working on the last few chapters since he doesen't have to bother with timing subtitles or any of that stuff. Which is what I was doing for Blood+ until GoldenRakshasa got involved, so now I'm just going to wait for him to get around it instead (unless Qish scared him away LOL!)

FFTranslation translated the short stories, interviews and the Truth Files book which in itself is a retelling of the game, but from the point of view of random journalists witnessing the events. So it's not really a substitute for playing the game, it's closer to a beta version of what would eventually become the placebo reports in TSC (It's written by Masahi Ooka too.)
http://fftranslations.atspace.co.uk/syn/index.html
There's summaries on the official wikipedia page and on this other page I happened to find, which hilariously was linked to all the way back on the old website but I never noticed, or I forgot lol.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A0 ... C%E3%83%A0
https://w.atwiki.jp/storyteller/pages/195.html

The first two twilight syndrome games (of which MS is a sequel to) have translated playthroughs on youtube.


I'm gonna need to back these up before they disappear for one reason or another.

Someone who played Killer7 with no prior knowledge of the Silver Case games, as most people did when it came out, would probably gloss over it and assume Greg was reanimated in much the same way as the two politicians from Sunset. And I'm not even sure if it would have been very noticeable at all in the original resolution, but it definitely sticks out, playing it in HD.

I'm not really convinced that he actually has silver eyes. It is possible that he just has white eyes because they're meant to look empty and dead.
Some people also hacked the game to see that Kevin has silver-colored eyes. I personally don't put much weight in that because silver eyes don't really seem to be a thing in the world of killer7, or at least, they don't figure into the plot at all. Though granted, they might have been in an earlier draft when the game was still directly connected to FSR.
https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/202 ... -and-rain/

The equivalent of the silver eye phoenomenon in Killer7 (in the sense that it's an unexplainable macguffin that sets the story into motion) would probably be the multifoliate personae phoenomenon. Which Emir inherits after taking over / being taken over by the young Harman Smith on the roof of Union Hotel.

I think the biggest epiphany you can get by playing Killer7 with the context of TSC is the nature of Emir Parkreiner. That is to say that when presented with the information that Emir Parkreiner was committing crimes in the 50s, and also that he is just a random kid who died at age 10, most people back then interpreted it as Emir being some immortal who is reborn over and over again.
With the context of TSC, it's obvious that Emir Parkreiner is the american equivalent/response to Kamui Uehara. In the sense that through Coburn Elementary (the equivalent of the Shelter if you will) children were being implanted with the personality of a legendary killer, who was not a killer at all. In TSC it was a random civillian that wasn't even called Kamui Uehara, in K7 it's a random kid who died at age 10 lol.

That's how Emir Parkreiner is able to commit crimes through the decades. He just keeps manifesting in unrelated individuals, due to MKUltra-style mind control. It's muddled in Killer7 because Emir has been effectively taken over by the opposite side (that side being the USA government through the Smith Syndicate) and he may or may not have killed the rest of his schoolmates. It's not confirmed at all, but he did kill Holbert in the school, and it appears to be pretty much empty. He also stuffed Harman's corpse in the safe lol.
Again, I'm not 100% sure Emir did a school shooting after being taken over by the Killer7, but it would go on to explain why the school building is seemingly abandoned and we never meet another Emir Parkreiner, while in TSC there's a whole bunch of Kamuis walking around.
It is also possible that the Heaven Smiles just killed everyone in the building with Matsuken. Coburn was being used by the "Asian threat" to manipulate american elections by the time the game takes place, despite originally being a Japanese weapon created through the Yakumo Cabinet Policy (which is why Matsuken is aware of it after inheriting the Yakumo).

You're right, I don't remember Whiteout very well and I'm not that far in my 25th Ward replay yet. With both Tetsu and Sumio working with the 24th Ward HCU again, it would seem like the entire agency has changed quite a bit, following the events of Silver Case. I'll remember that once I get to the chapters dealing with them.

Kosaka might have had something to do with it. He's a pretty big shot by the time the 25th ward takes place (I don't remember his job designation off the top of my head and that's why I need to take notes lol), and he used to be in the Central Police so he might have had enough authority to make the charges go away & reinstate them.