by Jack » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:15 pm
This could be about Horror movies, comics, animu, boardgame, videogames (although more in-depth takes on horror games should be done at the horror game thread.), etc.
I really only watch 3 genres of movies, hardcore action, porn, & horror, coz all 3 appeal to natural human instincts. I believe that humans are in their most natural, least pretentious (as in not pretending to be something they're not.) states. Nearly every action is in response to a previous reaction, and an animal like instinct to persevere, either through an act of violence, copulation or retreat.
Kaiju could be considered as my 4rth fave genre, but I think they're best described as Action Horror.
I've been out of the loop with Horror movies since 2016, with The Void being the last horror movie that I was impressed with. (Is that the last Cosmic Horror movie ever filmed? AYY LMAO!)
It wasn't a classic, but I appreciate that it tried to go for the same horrors that the 80s remake of The Thing opted for.
I haven't been interested in any horror movie post 2016, coz they all seem to revolve around White people as the horror, lol. (Birdbox, Get Out, Ready or Not, etc.) Which is not interesting to me at all coz I don't give a shit about White people. I don't adore or fear them, and I believe that writing them as the biggest fear, mythologizes them into Godly figures.
The argument could be made that Horror movie figures (aside for a few such as The Candyman) were always White.
While this is true, their identities weren't "Yo dood, I'm a White guy." LOL! When I see Freddy Krueger I don't see a White guy, I see a monster.
When I see Leatherface, am I thinking that he's just random White trash? No, I'm thinking that Leatherface is an American Southerner take on Lovecraft's A Dunwich Horror, more than anything. Who yes, they were White, but being White wasn't the point behind their horror. Being from a dysfunctional family, hidden from the rest of society which gave rise to an incomprehensibly retarded being (the highest god of Lovecraft mythos is also described as retarded.), is what made Leatherface frightening.
Some could even argue that Lynch's Twin Peaks were a modernized early 90s take on The Dunwich Horror but this time the horror wasn't a Yog-Sothoth trailer trash offspring or a literal Southern White trash fucktard. This time the horror was the illusion of Twin Peaks itself, or rather this 50s sitcom American bubble of reality that they constantly peddled in order to assuage them from either the guilt of what Twin Peaks actually is (a broken small town with some elements of organized crime.), or rather, the comforting lies that kept the Twin Peaks' population sane.
The murder of Laura Palmer, for some odd reason or another, destroyed their illusion but the people of Twin Peaks collectively constructed a lie that Laura Palmer is a typical 50s era American sitcom Christian Cuckservative girl, who dindu nuffin!
We know that the people of Twin Peaks are lying or are so entranced within their own bubble of reality that they have collectively constructed for themselves, because the movie "Fire Walk With Me" portrayed a completely different picture of Twin Peaks. FWWM, showed to you, the real 90s reality of what Twin Peaks was actually like. Laura Palmer was a typical 90s era promiscuous rebellious youth. she was the complete opposite of how she was portrayed in the first two tv seasons of Twin Peaks.
Based off of the comments on this vid, I'm amazed by how practically none of Lynch's so-called fans, actually understand what's going on in this scene. (Xed did mention this to me once, about how the majority of the Twin Peaks fanbase, doesn't actually watch or understand TP.)
They think this scene is some kind of Red Room possession or something, when it's just the reality of Twin Peaks, shown to you without any of the propaganda.
What do we see? Typical 90s era drunk bitches, partying with unscrupulous men.
That's the plot twist, it's not that there were some underlying, incomprehensible evil beneath the surface. The incomprehensible evil are the human beings themselves, coz they constantly hide behind comforting lies while doing nothing to confront the abhorrent reality that's right in front of them!
It's amusing to me that David Lynch is the man who wrote & directed the Lynch movies, coz his criticisms of the USA via what's shown through his movies are spot on. The USA itself is a North Korean style psychological operation where everyone is just repeating lies, both as a means of preserving The State which rules over them, and for their own peace of mind, because the average American is a weak, fat, & useless moron who can not sleep at night unless they comfort themselves to sleep through the lies of how great that they, and their country were doing until the indecipherable evil, ruined their perception of reality.
What makes the "Evil", Evil, is not their malice. What makes "Evil", Evil is the unrestrained truth that the culture itself, or lack thereof, is the origin of misery.
A lack of community, a lack of culture. They know they're missing a component that makes humans whole, and they did this to themselves, through an onslaught of lies.
I always get so annoyed whenever people claim that Lovecraft Horror is about The Fear of the Unknown.
It's like did you get that from Reddit or a Wiki? Why not actually read his short stories? What you'll see is that Lovecraft tries to not humanize anything, coz he understood that reality exists outside of humanities, perceptional conceptions of what they believe is reality.
Alien gods used to be metaphors about how we can't handle the truth or our reality & that we are much better off contained within our fabricated bubbles of perception, because we as a species can not operate without the comforting lies that are constantly reassured to us through our daily over-socialization of others' opinions masked as our opinions, that we have took ownership of, and upheld as indisputable truths.
To do otherwise, generally leads up to you committing suicide, due to how your overall conception of what you believed the world to be, ended up being nothing but a lie.
We're all susceptible to this. If I suddenly realized that the people who claim 99 genders exists were correct and that the entire planet is nothing but a White patriarchy, I prolly wouldn't be able to live with myself. Does that mean that the entirety of China & Japan, or Mu Continent itself, were all nothing but White people? AYY LMAO!
This is why I don't listen to idiots who can't even comprehend simple concepts of 2+2 = 4.
If you have worked for 2 + 2 hours, you generally want to be paid for 4 hours of work.
That's not a construct, that's a reality.
I know two genders exist, because people the world over have all concluded by their own volition that there are only two genders. In the vast majority of the Non-White world, there are still only two genders, and any attempts to claim otherwise are just viewed of, as constructivists trying to create their own language to describe the same things that we were already talking about, but since they lack intelligence, they obfuscate the language and alter the argument from the subjects, to that of sophistic semantics, based off of language used, rather than what is.
I'll name drop my fave horror movies, Alien 1, Terminator 1, The Thing (1980s), La Chiesa, Nightmare on Elmstreet 1, Hellraiser 1 & 2, Cube 1, Kill List, Event Horizon, Hostel 1, Coherence, Texas Chainsaw Massacare 1, The Hills have Eyes (the original), Lifeforce, Assault on Precinct 13 (the original), Dusk Till Dawn (The tv series which used the original movie as the basis for 1st season), I basically love every John Carpenter & Dario Argento Horror film.
I also like Aliens, T2, Predator, Godzilla vs Biolante, vs Destoryah etc, but I don't consider them as horror movies.
A lot of my fave movies, they either revolve around the primitive act of survival, or the horror of realities converging with our perception of what we thought reality was. This could be a simple convergence such as what was portrayed in KillList, which was about a hitman who stumbles on to a secret society cult, only for us to discover that it's actually the cult who were living in reality the entire time, and that the hitman trying to make ends meet, was living through psy-op.
Realities converging can also take a much more literal manifestation such as what occurred within the movie "Coherence", which was about multiple realities of mostly slightly altered timelines of the original reality that you initially resided in. If such a thing were to occur, would you choose to remain in your currently dysfunctional reality, or opt out for a far more romanticized version of your ideal reality?
In order to do so, you should kill the original resident of your dream reality, otherwise you break the illusion of their timeline because there would be more than one of you in a single reality. You the doppelgänger, insurgent from a foreign reality, are perceived as The Horror, due to you being an anomaly that shouldn't exist & didn't previously exist in their timeline.
Then we have movies such as cube where the realities haven't converged, they were just frozen in time, in a void of nothingness while you're trapped inside of the Cube. I only refer to the original Cube movie coz the sequels are fucking retarded and turn the Cube into some kind of military experiment. The only way that I find that believable is that yes, the USA government is that fucking retarded that we would waste billions on some nonsensical prison, only created to psychologically torture prisoners, more-so than Gitmo already does.
I just find that uninteresting subject matter for a horror film, coz the initial concept of Cube, reminded me of the Conception from Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, in that you're residing inside of a transitional reality where the process of time is stagnant, it's no longer moving forward. Time still moves forward in the sense that our bodies eventually deteriorate but Time as a dimension of the world, no longer has a past or future. Time has completely frozed, and that's where the horror of Cube 1 stemmed from.
Well actually the plot twist is that the Black guy is a crazy ass Christian Conservative who thought he was distributing God's justice or some other stupid bullshit, but up until that part, Cube had an interesting story about the horrors of a timeless, shapeless existence which actually sounds a lot like what Hikawa wanted in SMT3. The widow's peak guy, I forget his name.
80s horror was the best horror, because that's the only era where they tried to go for cosmic horrors. It's weird that we finally have the technology to convincingly pull off cosmic horror, but we choose not to.
Kinda like how videogames have had the tech to make even sexier versions of girl characters from the 90s, but yet again we choose not to, and we dyke them up instead coz the USA is fucking gay, led by a council of Eunuchs.
70s horror was also pretty good (I consider Alien 1 as 80s horror, coz it's more in the style of 80s horror even though it's from 1979) 70s horror revolved more around the primal fear of other humans and their ability to commit unspeakable acts on strangers. Suda51's Moonlight Syndrome would fit right at home with 70s horror, if it were told straight, rather than as a Lynch-style dreamcscape.
TLDR: Horror to me is the confrontation of your entire world view. We fear that we know nothing. Horror movie monsters are often a metaphor about how powerless we feel when confronted by realities that are beyond our ability to manipulate it, coz they exist beyond our ability to exert our will. We're forced to obey their laws instead, because they can overpower us with their use of force. You can't disbelieve gravity. Gravity doesn't give a fuck about you, it will keep moving on regardless of how carefully constructed your perception of reality is.
Horror at its purest, is best conveyed through Hellraiser's Leviathan.
Who quite possibly is the best interpretation
of a Lovecraftian God. it exerts force far greater than our own, you can't do anything else but submit, or deny its existence, despite the evidence to the contrary within the context of the story.
This could be about Horror movies, comics, animu, boardgame, videogames (although more in-depth takes on horror games should be done at the horror game thread.), etc.
I really only watch 3 genres of movies, hardcore action, porn, & horror, coz all 3 appeal to natural human instincts. I believe that humans are in their most natural, least pretentious (as in not pretending to be something they're not.) states. Nearly every action is in response to a previous reaction, and an animal like instinct to persevere, either through an act of violence, copulation or retreat.
Kaiju could be considered as my 4rth fave genre, but I think they're best described as Action Horror.
I've been out of the loop with Horror movies since 2016, with The Void being the last horror movie that I was impressed with. (Is that the last Cosmic Horror movie ever filmed? AYY LMAO!)
It wasn't a classic, but I appreciate that it tried to go for the same horrors that the 80s remake of The Thing opted for.
I haven't been interested in any horror movie post 2016, coz they all seem to revolve around White people as the horror, lol. (Birdbox, Get Out, Ready or Not, etc.) Which is not interesting to me at all coz I don't give a shit about White people. I don't adore or fear them, and I believe that writing them as the biggest fear, mythologizes them into Godly figures.
The argument could be made that Horror movie figures (aside for a few such as The Candyman) were always White.
While this is true, their identities weren't "Yo dood, I'm a White guy." LOL! When I see Freddy Krueger I don't see a White guy, I see a monster.
When I see Leatherface, am I thinking that he's just random White trash? No, I'm thinking that Leatherface is an American Southerner take on Lovecraft's A Dunwich Horror, more than anything. Who yes, they were White, but being White wasn't the point behind their horror. Being from a dysfunctional family, hidden from the rest of society which gave rise to an incomprehensibly retarded being (the highest god of Lovecraft mythos is also described as retarded.), is what made Leatherface frightening.
Some could even argue that Lynch's Twin Peaks were a modernized early 90s take on The Dunwich Horror but this time the horror wasn't a Yog-Sothoth trailer trash offspring or a literal Southern White trash fucktard. This time the horror was the illusion of Twin Peaks itself, or rather this 50s sitcom American bubble of reality that they constantly peddled in order to assuage them from either the guilt of what Twin Peaks actually is (a broken small town with some elements of organized crime.), or rather, the comforting lies that kept the Twin Peaks' population sane.
The murder of Laura Palmer, for some odd reason or another, destroyed their illusion but the people of Twin Peaks collectively constructed a lie that Laura Palmer is a typical 50s era American sitcom Christian Cuckservative girl, who dindu nuffin!
We know that the people of Twin Peaks are lying or are so entranced within their own bubble of reality that they have collectively constructed for themselves, because the movie "Fire Walk With Me" portrayed a completely different picture of Twin Peaks. FWWM, showed to you, the real 90s reality of what Twin Peaks was actually like. Laura Palmer was a typical 90s era promiscuous rebellious youth. she was the complete opposite of how she was portrayed in the first two tv seasons of Twin Peaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W72rn6CNIDw
Based off of the comments on this vid, I'm amazed by how practically none of Lynch's so-called fans, actually understand what's going on in this scene. (Xed did mention this to me once, about how the majority of the Twin Peaks fanbase, doesn't actually watch or understand TP.)
They think this scene is some kind of Red Room possession or something, when it's just the reality of Twin Peaks, shown to you without any of the propaganda.
[b]What do we see? Typical 90s era drunk bitches, partying with unscrupulous men.
[size=150]That's the plot twist, it's not that there were some underlying, incomprehensible evil beneath the surface. The incomprehensible evil are the human beings themselves, coz they constantly hide behind comforting lies while doing nothing to confront the abhorrent reality that's right in front of them![/size][/b]
It's amusing to me that David Lynch is the man who wrote & directed the Lynch movies, coz his criticisms of the USA via what's shown through his movies are spot on. The USA itself is a North Korean style psychological operation where everyone is just repeating lies, both as a means of preserving The State which rules over them, and for their own peace of mind, because the average American is a weak, fat, & useless moron who can not sleep at night unless they comfort themselves to sleep through the lies of how great that they, and their country were doing until the indecipherable evil, ruined their perception of reality.
What makes the "Evil", Evil, is not their malice. What makes "Evil", Evil is the unrestrained truth that the culture itself, or lack thereof, is the origin of misery.
A lack of community, a lack of culture. They know they're missing a component that makes humans whole, and they did this to themselves, through an onslaught of lies.
I always get so annoyed whenever people claim that Lovecraft Horror is about The Fear of the Unknown.
It's like did you get that from Reddit or a Wiki? Why not actually read his short stories? What you'll see is that Lovecraft tries to not humanize anything, coz he understood that reality exists outside of humanities, perceptional conceptions of what they believe is reality.
Alien gods used to be metaphors about how we can't handle the truth or our reality & that we are much better off contained within our fabricated bubbles of perception, because we as a species can not operate without the comforting lies that are constantly reassured to us through our daily over-socialization of others' opinions masked as our opinions, that we have took ownership of, and upheld as indisputable truths.
To do otherwise, generally leads up to you committing suicide, due to how your overall conception of what you believed the world to be, ended up being nothing but a lie.
We're all susceptible to this. If I suddenly realized that the people who claim 99 genders exists were correct and that the entire planet is nothing but a White patriarchy, I prolly wouldn't be able to live with myself. Does that mean that the entirety of China & Japan, or Mu Continent itself, were all nothing but White people? AYY LMAO!
This is why I don't listen to idiots who can't even comprehend simple concepts of 2+2 = 4.
If you have worked for 2 + 2 hours, you generally want to be paid for 4 hours of work.
That's not a construct, that's a reality.
I know two genders exist, because people the world over have all concluded by their own volition that there are only two genders. In the vast majority of the Non-White world, there are still only two genders, and any attempts to claim otherwise are just viewed of, as constructivists trying to create their own language to describe the same things that we were already talking about, but since they lack intelligence, they obfuscate the language and alter the argument from the subjects, to that of sophistic semantics, based off of language used, rather than what is.
I'll name drop my fave horror movies, Alien 1, Terminator 1, The Thing (1980s), La Chiesa, Nightmare on Elmstreet 1, Hellraiser 1 & 2, Cube 1, Kill List, Event Horizon, Hostel 1, Coherence, Texas Chainsaw Massacare 1, The Hills have Eyes (the original), Lifeforce, Assault on Precinct 13 (the original), Dusk Till Dawn (The tv series which used the original movie as the basis for 1st season), I basically love every John Carpenter & Dario Argento Horror film.
I also like Aliens, T2, Predator, Godzilla vs Biolante, vs Destoryah etc, but I don't consider them as horror movies.
A lot of my fave movies, they either revolve around the primitive act of survival, or the horror of realities converging with our perception of what we thought reality was. This could be a simple convergence such as what was portrayed in KillList, which was about a hitman who stumbles on to a secret society cult, only for us to discover that it's actually the cult who were living in reality the entire time, and that the hitman trying to make ends meet, was living through psy-op.
Realities converging can also take a much more literal manifestation such as what occurred within the movie "Coherence", which was about multiple realities of mostly slightly altered timelines of the original reality that you initially resided in. If such a thing were to occur, would you choose to remain in your currently dysfunctional reality, or opt out for a far more romanticized version of your ideal reality?
In order to do so, you should kill the original resident of your dream reality, otherwise you break the illusion of their timeline because there would be more than one of you in a single reality. You the doppelgänger, insurgent from a foreign reality, are perceived as The Horror, due to you being an anomaly that shouldn't exist & didn't previously exist in their timeline.
Then we have movies such as cube where the realities haven't converged, they were just frozen in time, in a void of nothingness while you're trapped inside of the Cube. I only refer to the original Cube movie coz the sequels are fucking retarded and turn the Cube into some kind of military experiment. The only way that I find that believable is that yes, the USA government is that fucking retarded that we would waste billions on some nonsensical prison, only created to psychologically torture prisoners, more-so than Gitmo already does.
I just find that uninteresting subject matter for a horror film, coz the initial concept of Cube, reminded me of the Conception from Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, in that you're residing inside of a transitional reality where the process of time is stagnant, it's no longer moving forward. Time still moves forward in the sense that our bodies eventually deteriorate but Time as a dimension of the world, no longer has a past or future. Time has completely frozed, and that's where the horror of Cube 1 stemmed from.
Well actually the plot twist is that the Black guy is a crazy ass Christian Conservative who thought he was distributing God's justice or some other stupid bullshit, but up until that part, Cube had an interesting story about the horrors of a timeless, shapeless existence which actually sounds a lot like what Hikawa wanted in SMT3. The widow's peak guy, I forget his name.
80s horror was the best horror, because that's the only era where they tried to go for cosmic horrors. It's weird that we finally have the technology to convincingly pull off cosmic horror, but we choose not to.
Kinda like how videogames have had the tech to make even sexier versions of girl characters from the 90s, but yet again we choose not to, and we dyke them up instead coz the USA is fucking gay, led by a council of Eunuchs.
70s horror was also pretty good (I consider Alien 1 as 80s horror, coz it's more in the style of 80s horror even though it's from 1979) 70s horror revolved more around the primal fear of other humans and their ability to commit unspeakable acts on strangers. Suda51's Moonlight Syndrome would fit right at home with 70s horror, if it were told straight, rather than as a Lynch-style dreamcscape.
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TLDR:[/b] Horror to me is the confrontation of your entire world view. We fear that we know nothing. Horror movie monsters are often a metaphor about how powerless we feel when confronted by realities that are beyond our ability to manipulate it, coz they exist beyond our ability to exert our will. We're forced to obey their laws instead, because they can overpower us with their use of force. You can't disbelieve gravity. Gravity doesn't give a fuck about you, it will keep moving on regardless of how carefully constructed your perception of reality is.
Horror at its purest, is best conveyed through Hellraiser's Leviathan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2qT7GylRxw
Who quite possibly is the best interpretation
of a Lovecraftian God. it exerts force far greater than our own, you can't do anything else but submit, or deny its existence, despite the evidence to the contrary within the context of the story.
